From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8729259CAF for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 04:44:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F69A21C071; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 04:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f44.google.com (mail-oi0-f44.google.com [209.85.218.44]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E32721C059 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 04:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f44.google.com with SMTP id w85so124481645oiw.0 for ; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 21:43:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=YPX88h15SD3aQ9EiGJ/E2TICxHXGqMcb953XS5d1Muw=; b=luD9yQ35SMkXldau7BN+APVPJVtdOjtbaszhv6i8bgpaJ4IskktPjfJYKRlf/ZM0m0 uq00s+g27jDXzuo+sMU2RNzCB+9qMXDyd/tq+JXwehLiZfJkyTgT3PBHjwjXyR269KRL AZFs3PVQiswGCCHNS8HtWBKjoP344ZR0EOuBwLwv6oWIPA13T0+egZyHgneOaAh5YJ34 ghBYC1/AMw8X7kl8OAPJMVvwHgO2w8WcMDgHk5J/Peqrj2wzzfHgCmcD13PkbfTbga6L h+59QnWzD3DShCjj2JGeJXB61/5Gl9v+qbvgOMrfZ9ugjz1k3cUbiWMacirTivrJBzTS K4dQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=YPX88h15SD3aQ9EiGJ/E2TICxHXGqMcb953XS5d1Muw=; b=mbiFmPVhNptjZka/wi9NVtXrTqm0Zxn/YQIZ4IRtrFVpVxF1zRBUrugKbWNyAsnWoi AALaiUTEPzaZkliDy17IrxVcaBq12zOeByeYkGDvQK/lvo2eath5PtPpDeWf1q0VD+mV 7Wi6F21gnfHY2z/u2CtyB9nQpT5RD+5/7jPDFo/YfEImH7sUkbvxjLoUrVMOFYm6DDhS b6rVcsXhDTPoPLMHthtm1iDi+qsEsXDTom1rOzbCzrbwpXpVThEGGPOJJMymHJNvtbdh zHcW4oJnrcTN2EhI49QMjp6rOcR6J6nZpNwmKt2cyWczHBun7enQmGqZDfxYDupTK8Sn cp5g== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIOb0i93I2H85gHX5OcpHCKkKaT0MLd0+3lE7LHqsulUK3ojDE/Vvn7o7Dkkv7tidkiJWMAjtqeET0Keg== X-Received: by 10.202.225.9 with SMTP id y9mr3250290oig.13.1460090635751; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 21:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.232.194 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 21:43:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <570721A3.9080903@gmail.com> References: <570721A3.9080903@gmail.com> From: Raymond Jennings Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 21:43:16 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ceaa2af1560052ff1d7b3 X-Archives-Salt: 110a7705-5b75-4090-91fc-f50e3c863ed0 X-Archives-Hash: 5f9a8cb8372ab73813f262220bc1677c --001a113ceaa2af1560052ff1d7b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 My personal opinion: Unless we have a good reason to do otherwise, don't fuck with upstream. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Damien Levac wrote: > > > Three points :- > > 1) systemd - not all gentoo users subscribe to this 'philosophy' .. >but > >no, I don't want get drawn into debates of yes/no of systemd .. > > The article start by saying the points are not just for systemd, even > though the latter might find the merge more 'needed'... > > >2) "Today, a separate /usr partition already must be mounted by the > >initramfs during early boot, thus making the justification for a > >split-off moot." - no, not all gentoo users have an initramfs and > >need/want one .. so this is a false assumption. > > Agreed, this does not apply to Gentoo. > > >3) I still believe there is merit in distinguishing between binaries > >that can/should be run as root, and those that can/should not. Those > >that run as root 100% of the time, or use VMs, don't really 'use' linux > >in the original sense of the OS .. > > /usr/sbin still exists in a merged usr, so I don't get that point... > > >*hides in his bike-shed, awaiting the flaming torches....* > > Don't worry: no troll here. > > -- > Damien Levac > > --001a113ceaa2af1560052ff1d7b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My personal opinion:

Unless we have a go= od reason to do otherwise, don't fuck with upstream.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:1= 2 PM, Damien Levac <damien.levac@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
> Three points :-
> 1) systemd - not all gentoo users subscribe to this 'philosophy= 9; .. >but
>no, I don't want get drawn into debates of yes/no of systemd ..

The article start by saying the points are not just for systemd, eve= n
though the latter might find the merge more 'needed'...

>2) "Today, a separate /usr partition already must be mounted by th= e
>initramfs during early boot, thus making the justification for a
>split-off moot." - no, not all gentoo users have an initramfs and<= br> >need/want one .. so this is a false assumption.

Agreed, this does not apply to Gentoo.

>3) I still believe there is merit in distinguishing between binaries >that can/should be run as root, and those that can/should not. Those >that run as root 100% of the time, or use VMs, don't really 'us= e' linux
>in the original sense of the OS ..

/usr/sbin still exists in a merged usr, so I don't get that poin= t...

>*hides in his bike-shed, awaiting the flaming torches....*

Don't worry: no troll here.

--
Damien Levac


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