From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109E259CAF for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 20:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8640B21C042; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 20:18:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f47.google.com (mail-oi0-f47.google.com [209.85.218.47]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F83321C008 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 20:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f47.google.com with SMTP id y204so112989384oie.3 for ; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 13:18:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Wv8BAKBUyeebC2PXGccQiN76q2MDdVqB0Geo5vxn56I=; b=EIiPSEPET1L9Y+6t7cs3757IlL6j/Mi+5d3ljgKsGwT1P87uCmr/2YpsoN7qbFHQtt xic9LfIqlPBdjc/D9Jeqdbdn4kbA6LfV9//hkdSVYCUoHYEdWY0+xFNKPVDxYFjuXomq uFJAiDyJIYqIGmYPRSGsMu6YF/qlL6Lhdmyq601VDMC714TxsSV8nyOTI3NkJyx21IAR 3p7m002HASvUp1Em7n2UcuuLXQzP9a6W02FLwplyl/iTuJZvV1jwXOo6IeXh0WVue0fI ssJzYOHWfBZ8OEnqKDL/+qy9LxzwCLT0zUJtYKepX2bO/Q06Qr+TbwukkL/0LI04UiXS lqcg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Wv8BAKBUyeebC2PXGccQiN76q2MDdVqB0Geo5vxn56I=; b=cmbdX4hnLX6qDoZ0E9coZzOpMNtCsOtXXamAkgLsrtAB5Iz5ZN6RGl+cnoJXV6WIVc GksblYdYIOSHwt0t1BaGRhzvBbdE/gjGb4N8KS7uE8ZFinooFfxIlgZpepW2Ae8Muclw zZFrQ3oprQuQ+7Hnf2xhfQ1y5h8GljbUlcqXCj8OWsn3gVCeMMS9hG4lD+5rzF69QUst EXmqJed0fQANBE1zShkdTtzDUav1it2eU7roIAv1Lghc5M//3NYgHq1T0mjHyh5Sczan 0SQ+S8mAqkByL0VEzxhHhBWPlC0HD9whwZsFJ8xY8/H3DmcyPvSOJm1LlFjdQIDUSkeB usYQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIJbPih/Xwi7K/jlJUrHDSCe/rQyy24Q+uIIQxCFF7fwL9D9Ns8xRPIgQ7MWxU5dGNJK8wXS9saTTtupA== X-Received: by 10.157.9.225 with SMTP id 30mr2391005otz.10.1460060321625; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 13:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.232.194 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 13:18:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <570312c8.1469ca0a.30985.5db1@mx.google.com> <570523FD.3040703@iee.org> <570530D4.4030803@gentoo.org> <20160406204310.GA11167@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <763f78cb-66f7-484f-bb64-a182f2747d54@gentoo.org> <57067172.49cbca0a.693b1.ffff9909@mx.google.com> <20160407154636.GA26596@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <5706A7A6.3080402@iee.org> From: Raymond Jennings Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 13:18:01 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113d1830d23c8b052feac876 X-Archives-Salt: 4144c1cc-5dfe-4e13-9dda-7e8bc7a7e6b8 X-Archives-Hash: dbdea060b10f9762e65dd44095a3b7d4 --001a113d1830d23c8b052feac876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Personally I think that merging things into /usr is a major policy decision that is likely to contravene upstream installation locations. I wouldn't do it lightly, if at all. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:32 PM, M. J. Everitt wrote: > > In the spirit of hearing arguments for/against .. could someone with the > > appropriate 'fu' throw up a quick survey for those on this ML (and/or > > possibly the g-users?) to indicate a preference for a change to a > > flattened-/usr system? > > > > I did think re: the eudev "debate" that it was really hard to quantify > > the opinion for and against a change, and take it away from the vocal > > people that obviously feel passionately about their cause :) . > > > > By all means do so, but we can probably save the trouble and assume > that 95% of the respondents would prefer things remain as they are, > and probably 80% would suggest that Gentoo should fully support > systems without /usr mounted during early boot. > > Gentoo has become a fairly conservative distro, even more so when > everybody else dropped support for not running systemd. > > I personally think the /usr merge is a cleaner approach (and I'd go a > step further and merge sbin and bin), but it was rightly said that > many of the benefits of a merge only come when you do a lot of other > things as well. Of course, we could go ahead and do those things > later. > > I think the main immediate benefit of a usr merge is that it actually > reduces the risk of shebangs and such pointing to the wrong place (due > to compat links, and there only being one right place in general), and > it greatly consolidates the static stuff on the filesystem. > > -- > Rich > > --001a113d1830d23c8b052feac876 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Personally I think that merging things into /usr is a majo= r policy decision that is likely to contravene upstream installation locati= ons.=C2=A0 I wouldn't do it lightly, if at all.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:54 AM= , Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:32 PM, M. J. Everit= t <m.j.everitt@iee.org> wr= ote:
> In the spirit of hearing arguments for/against .. could someone with t= he
> appropriate 'fu' throw up a quick survey for those on this ML = (and/or
> possibly the g-users?) to indicate a preference for a change to a
> flattened-/usr system?
>
> I did think re: the eudev "debate" that it was really hard t= o quantify
> the opinion for and against a change, and take it away from the=C2=A0 = vocal
> people that obviously feel passionately about their cause :) .
>

By all means do so, but we can probably save the trouble and assume<= br> that 95% of the respondents would prefer things remain as they are,
and probably 80% would suggest that Gentoo should fully support
systems without /usr mounted during early boot.

Gentoo has become a fairly conservative distro, even more so when
everybody else dropped support for not running systemd.

I personally think the /usr merge is a cleaner approach (and I'd go a step further and merge sbin and bin), but it was rightly said that
many of the benefits of a merge only come when you do a lot of other
things as well.=C2=A0 Of course, we could go ahead and do those things
later.

I think the main immediate benefit of a usr merge is that it actually
reduces the risk of shebangs and such pointing to the wrong place (due
to compat links, and there only being one right place in general), and
it greatly consolidates the static stuff on the filesystem.

--
Rich


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