From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-dev+bounces-85217-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DD7E138334 for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E42DE080E; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-x242.google.com (mail-oi0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10874E07FA for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-x242.google.com with SMTP id 13-v6so50058820ois.1 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:36:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=q3WpTpXzdtfHN346I1aMJ0TR/fG9H1Kfaw3KmcpCFWQ=; b=cl3MtIMsY4mlZyGXRgDvN2U/VUpNQvFWOc7YFdGQgMm/LS8m+OHGm6OAaVkh8NhJY/ ib0J7Ch0jvSDtL/G39Mbu1EjgmpnRHCI5BFhj/HOOTKiXGJX3Z25rP9S1DV553xOud2Q md0bnIjydYbrUDKp/RriiP4Ub9hXczecZk2Qy9dzt6fGtZVHe0RTkXiG7t4Y5EKP7N8B nziB/1N0PwClSuH3PG8PxzdsSdRC+YK9Xhc+U3Ap3h5fxcKEmIqfDcBBiMaW3LD2yp9q pneowrc+lLTpO1utzPaU5nEBEf/iZNCUbX26n9QjXs87MgFodqOSdlfyrbrxJ/V4i6I1 IGVg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=q3WpTpXzdtfHN346I1aMJ0TR/fG9H1Kfaw3KmcpCFWQ=; b=Ph0RRL8Wf0Mg3eOE/WViMTx1dU0M1SCIqQ6Ayonz5HbaJwqnVA9d1+uQClyntTpSsO hxaJ0vPlQt4RrT4/FG058yAvPV+W20WE2daHCt0H0HFbLtPQtfjx5y/bomw2AkmCqPDC xDLEBVb9q4nczoVJYe2c3jiTa66Fd86oMOe3gqJ7RQasmdNYq7kLaX3RKLvE0iTg97ai HQB9f1YLLlZxBaFmmna3cH+uEUnQj3aKdfh3KTvPOgJ3+a4+wA1zMW/+6Tn+vwnfgtJW c/Gp1iGcWt18kTeXyYcPKzFvTZ5oHS+rbROMT7QPGGbBGZLAvLw2tmBg/0vc7Dsst5PM ENRA== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E0lHfl8qZ1OyZaM/rfOdMz3QRBXgKzu76JLwxCNpOBt9c/d0utp zEAvWnhVw90nd4jlnyvNOng7l/NI/OBlEKdPyu0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpc1dhnWNGciELytng4CUwAQ71pMJ/0ULL09Fn6oMuvxPFn1DLjx4jVAkF+wOFRQybuMPX+zCIxaspNHS1a/g7s= X-Received: by 2002:aca:42c3:: with SMTP id p186-v6mr30291456oia.265.1531323407592; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180709172136.GA17068@linux1.home> <1531161811.1159.13.camel@gentoo.org> <20180709201113.GB17593@linux1.home> <1531167218.1159.15.camel@gentoo.org> <CAGfcS_ke5Esm_3JS_1bzSLv=ZjabdmBnv_tA-nJkt4+rKqGTww@mail.gmail.com> <20180709211410.GA17986@linux1.home> <2f7c8b18-8c5d-2931-14a7-9d6d1e00526d@gentoo.org> <29b55e16-bb2e-5a98-13e2-e1482441b417@gentoo.org> <8b47a97d-37be-652a-0298-7e7082506b53@iee.org> <50aa6222-d97c-6fd0-0884-23b27f494135@gentoo.org> <20180710200923.GA21918@linux1.home> <88409c1e-eb34-dad8-c524-2b44de5bc91b@iee.org> <5f2b3a86-c7d5-f588-5ea3-4c13055d8324@gentoo.org> <CAHY5Mefj6OACdTJchRwccM8aNUr1QYw1_9Jd-9gGLgk8cK0X4A@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAHY5Mefj6OACdTJchRwccM8aNUr1QYw1_9Jd-9gGLgk8cK0X4A@mail.gmail.com> From: Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:36:10 -0700 Message-ID: <CAGDaZ_oS9WRxYcDHbqr4cC4X0cKBJPJogLGWQ1_7-WKPDp9UbQ@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree To: gentoo-dev <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 386d5a20-30ee-4b26-857b-1bb41326056e X-Archives-Hash: 8485aa72d60220c7eeb077952d04e0a5 As long as an announcement is made in advance (perhaps as a NEWS item) and portage itself is prepared to do an in-place migration if necessary, I think things will be fine. I do think it would be a wise idea to "grandfather" the current layout for awhile. On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:24 AM Gordon Pettey <petteyg359@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 2:29 AM, Jory A. Pratt <anarchy@gentoo.org> wrote: > > This is a mess, many systems are setup with portage already on a > > seperate partition for reasons. What advantage does it provide to move > > the tree now after all these years? I have seen nothing more then lets > > do this cause I like the ideal lately and it is getting old, there is no > > benefit that would justify moving the tree or many other changes that > > are being made in Gentoo lately. > > 1. If you're able to mount /usr/portage from another filesystem, why > would you think it wouldn't work in with /var/cache/portage? > 1a. If your system is already installed, why do you think this even > affects you? Did you read? > 2. Pretty sure following FHS more closely is something most people > would see as a benefit. I agree on this point, and I always found /usr/portage to be...well, strange. For me, though, the most important issue is giving end users advanced notice and making sure nothing breaks.