[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Peter Volkov]

В Вск, 18/05/2008 в 15:14 +0000, Samuli Suominen (drac) пишет:
> drac        08/05/18 15:14:30
> 
>   Modified:             package.mask
>   Log:
>   dxr3player removed
> 
> Revision  Changes    Path
> 1.8634               profiles/package.mask

Could you add ChangeLog entries for thing like this, please? If only
part of developers will update ChangeLogs they became useless...

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Peter Volkov]

В Чтв, 29/05/2008 в 15:42 +0000, Raul Porcel (armin76) пишет:
> armin76     08/05/29 15:42:29
> 
>   Modified:             package.mask
>   Log:
>   P.mask net-dns/resolvconfig-gentoo as per bug #219270
> 
> Revision  Changes    Path
> 1.8663               profiles/package.mask

Whenever you modify anything in profiles directory, please, fill in
ChangeLog. ChangeLogs became useless if only part of developers fill
them. 

Just to remind. There are per-arch ChangeLog, base profile ChangeLog,
features ChangeLog and for other stuff ChangeLog:

/usr/portage/profiles/base/ChangeLog
/usr/portage/profiles/arch/sh/ChangeLog
[snip other archs ChangeLog]
/usr/portage/profiles/default-bsd/ChangeLog
/usr/portage/profiles/embedded/ChangeLog
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/arm/ChangeLog
[snip other archs ChangeLog]
/usr/portage/profiles/hardened/x86/ChangeLog
/usr/portage/profiles/features/ChangeLog
/usr/portage/profiles/ChangeLog

Thus whenever you change anything in arch profile, or in base or
features subdirectory use relevant ChangeLog. For other changes like
local USE flags documentation, masking/unmasking/updating masks (not
comments :)) use /usr/portage/profiles/ChangeLog.

Thank you.
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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Peter Volkov]

Hello Luis.

В Пнд, 09/06/2008 в 18:12 +0000, Luis F. Araujo (araujo) пишет:
> araujo      08/06/09 18:12:09
> 
>   Modified:             package.mask
>   Log:
>   Saving Squeak. Solving bugs #163724 , #196984
> 
> Revision  Changes    Path
> 1.8705               profiles/package.mask


Whenever you modify anything in profiles directory, please, fill in
ChangeLog. ChangeLogs became useless if only part of developers fill
them. 

Just to remind. There are per-arch ChangeLog, base profile ChangeLog,
features ChangeLog and for other stuff ChangeLog:

/usr/portage/profiles/base/ChangeLog
/usr/portage/profiles/arch/sh/ChangeLog
[snip other archs ChangeLog]
/usr/portage/profiles/default-bsd/ChangeLog
/usr/portage/profiles/embedded/ChangeLog
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/arm/ChangeLog
[snip other archs ChangeLog]
/usr/portage/profiles/hardened/x86/ChangeLog
/usr/portage/profiles/features/ChangeLog
/usr/portage/profiles/ChangeLog

Thus whenever you change anything in arch profile, or in base or
features subdirectory use relevant ChangeLog. For other changes like
local USE flags, masking/unmasking/updating masks (not comments :))
use /usr/portage/profiles/ChangeLog.

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Peter Volkov]

В Чтв, 19/06/2008 в 21:03 +0000, Michael Sterrett (mr_bones_) пишет:
> mr_bones_    08/06/19 21:03:29
> 
>   Modified:             package.mask
>   Log:
>   mask =games-kids/gcompris-8.4.5 until
>   http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=225883 is fixed up.
> 
> Revision  Changes    Path
> 1.8740               profiles/package.mask

Whenever you modify anything in profiles directory, please, fill in
ChangeLog. ChangeLogs became useless if only part of developers fill
them. 

Just to remind. There are per-arch ChangeLog, base profile ChangeLog,
features ChangeLog and for other stuff ChangeLog:

/usr/portage/profiles/base/ChangeLog
/usr/portage/profiles/arch/sh/ChangeLog
[snip other archs ChangeLog]
/usr/portage/profiles/default-bsd/ChangeLog
/usr/portage/profiles/embedded/ChangeLog
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/arm/ChangeLog
[snip other archs ChangeLog]
/usr/portage/profiles/hardened/x86/ChangeLog
/usr/portage/profiles/features/ChangeLog
/usr/portage/profiles/ChangeLog

Thus whenever you change anything in arch profile, or in base or
features subdirectory use relevant ChangeLog. For other changes like
local USE flags documentation, masking/unmasking/updating masks (not
comments :)) use /usr/portage/profiles/ChangeLog.

Thank you,
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Albert Zeyer]

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 10:43 +0400, Peter Volkov wrote:
> В Чтв, 19/06/2008 в 21:03 +0000, Michael Sterrett (mr_bones_) пишет:
> > mr_bones_    08/06/19 21:03:29
> > 
> >   Modified:             package.mask
> >   Log:
> >   mask =games-kids/gcompris-8.4.5 until
> >   http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=225883 is fixed up.
> > 
> > Revision  Changes    Path
> > 1.8740               profiles/package.mask
> 
> Whenever you modify anything in profiles directory, please, fill in
> ChangeLog. ChangeLogs became useless if only part of developers fill
> them. 
> 
> Just to remind. There are per-arch ChangeLog, base profile ChangeLog,
> features ChangeLog and for other stuff ChangeLog:
> 
> /usr/portage/profiles/base/ChangeLog
> /usr/portage/profiles/arch/sh/ChangeLog
> [snip other archs ChangeLog]
> /usr/portage/profiles/default-bsd/ChangeLog
> /usr/portage/profiles/embedded/ChangeLog
> /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/arm/ChangeLog
> [snip other archs ChangeLog]
> /usr/portage/profiles/hardened/x86/ChangeLog
> /usr/portage/profiles/features/ChangeLog
> /usr/portage/profiles/ChangeLog
> 
> Thus whenever you change anything in arch profile, or in base or
> features subdirectory use relevant ChangeLog. For other changes like
> local USE flags documentation, masking/unmasking/updating masks (not
> comments :)) use /usr/portage/profiles/ChangeLog.

Perhaps install a script which automatically takes the CVS comment when
some of these files is changed and adds this comment automatically to
the ChangeLog?


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Robin H. Johnson]

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On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 10:56:51AM +0200, Albert Zeyer wrote:
> > Thus whenever you change anything in arch profile, or in base or
> > features subdirectory use relevant ChangeLog. For other changes like
> > local USE flags documentation, masking/unmasking/updating masks (not
> > comments :)) use /usr/portage/profiles/ChangeLog.
> Perhaps install a script which automatically takes the CVS comment when
> some of these files is changed and adds this comment automatically to
> the ChangeLog?
echangelog works perfectly AFAIK.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Peter Weller]

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 11:38 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 10:56:51AM +0200, Albert Zeyer wrote:
> > > Thus whenever you change anything in arch profile, or in base or
> > > features subdirectory use relevant ChangeLog. For other changes like
> > > local USE flags documentation, masking/unmasking/updating masks (not
> > > comments :)) use /usr/portage/profiles/ChangeLog.
> > Perhaps install a script which automatically takes the CVS comment when
> > some of these files is changed and adds this comment automatically to
> > the ChangeLog?
> echangelog works perfectly AFAIK.
> 

I think he meant something which would add an entry to the ChangeLog
during the commit stage without extra intevention. Having said that,
many developers have some form of commit script which contains things
like manifest, changelog and commit commands.

welp

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Peter Volkov]

В Сбт, 21/06/2008 в 10:56 +0200, Albert Zeyer пишет:
> Perhaps install a script which automatically takes the CVS comment when
> some of these files is changed and adds this comment automatically to
> the ChangeLog?

Some days ago Diego (flameeyes) suggested to write script which will
abort commit in case ChangeLog is not filled. Taking into account a
number (about 1 commit per day(!)) of developers who forgive to use
echangelog I think this is the only way to go if we want that
ChangeLog's to be useful...

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Alin Năstac]

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Peter Volkov wrote:
> В Сбт, 21/06/2008 в 10:56 +0200, Albert Zeyer пишет:
>   
>> Perhaps install a script which automatically takes the CVS comment when
>> some of these files is changed and adds this comment automatically to
>> the ChangeLog?
>>     
>
> Some days ago Diego (flameeyes) suggested to write script which will
> abort commit in case ChangeLog is not filled. Taking into account a
> number (about 1 commit per day(!)) of developers who forgive to use
> echangelog I think this is the only way to go if we want that
> ChangeLog's to be useful...
>
>   
How about fixing the right problem instead forcing devs to complete yet 
another step?
The right way of fixing that is by creating changelogs automatically, 
based on cvs commit comments.



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Peter Weller]

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 15:49 +0200, Alin Nstac wrote:
> Peter Volkov wrote:
> > В Сбт, 21/06/2008 в 10:56 +0200, Albert Zeyer пишет:
> >   
> >> Perhaps install a script which automatically takes the CVS comment when
> >> some of these files is changed and adds this comment automatically to
> >> the ChangeLog?
> >>     
> >
> > Some days ago Diego (flameeyes) suggested to write script which will
> > abort commit in case ChangeLog is not filled. Taking into account a
> > number (about 1 commit per day(!)) of developers who forgive to use
> > echangelog I think this is the only way to go if we want that
> > ChangeLog's to be useful...
> >
> >   
> How about fixing the right problem instead forcing devs to complete yet 
> another step?
> The right way of fixing that is by creating changelogs automatically, 
> based on cvs commit comments.
> 
Possibly by making it a part of the whole repoman commit process? I'm
pretty sure I've mentioned this in a council meeting:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20080508-summary.txt
(Check the 'New Topics' -> 'When are ChangeLog entries required?'
summary)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Alec Warner]

2008/6/22 Peter Weller <welp@gentoo.org>:
> On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 15:49 +0200, Alin Nstac wrote:
>> Peter Volkov wrote:
>> > В Сбт, 21/06/2008 в 10:56 +0200, Albert Zeyer пишет:
>> >
>> >> Perhaps install a script which automatically takes the CVS comment when
>> >> some of these files is changed and adds this comment automatically to
>> >> the ChangeLog?
>> >>
>> >
>> > Some days ago Diego (flameeyes) suggested to write script which will
>> > abort commit in case ChangeLog is not filled. Taking into account a
>> > number (about 1 commit per day(!)) of developers who forgive to use
>> > echangelog I think this is the only way to go if we want that
>> > ChangeLog's to be useful...
>> >
>> >
>> How about fixing the right problem instead forcing devs to complete yet
>> another step?
>> The right way of fixing that is by creating changelogs automatically,
>> based on cvs commit comments.
>>
> Possibly by making it a part of the whole repoman commit process? I'm
> pretty sure I've mentioned this in a council meeting:
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20080508-summary.txt
> (Check the 'New Topics' -> 'When are ChangeLog entries required?'
> summary)

The portage team is always open for repoman improvements ;)

>
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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Alexis Ballier]

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On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:10:44 +0000
"Daniel Gryniewicz (dang)" <dang@gentoo.org> wrote:

> dang        08/09/30 15:10:44
> 
>   Modified:             package.mask
>   Log:
>   Remove poppler from mask; current evince works fine

s/current/only/

I currently have pdftex,luatex & xpdf failing here. It would have been
nice if maintainers had been contacted before pushing this to ~arch
since it is a very well known api-breaking library. Not that they seem
difficult to fix but I'm not really fond of the "let it break, wait for
bug reports, fix later" way.

Alexis.

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Friedrich Oslage]

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Benedikt Boehm (hollow) schrieb:
> hollow      09/01/10 21:41:41
> 
>   Modified:             package.mask
>   Log:
>   mask sys-apps/baselayout-vserver for removal
> 
> Revision  Changes    Path
> 1.9378               profiles/package.mask
> 
> file : http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?rev=1.9378&view=markup
> plain: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?rev=1.9378&content-type=text/plain
> diff : http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?r1=1.9377&r2=1.9378
> 
> Index: package.mask
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v
> retrieving revision 1.9377
> retrieving revision 1.9378
> diff -u -r1.9377 -r1.9378
> --- package.mask	10 Jan 2009 17:17:32 -0000	1.9377
> +++ package.mask	10 Jan 2009 21:41:41 -0000	1.9378
> @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
>  ####################################################################
> -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v 1.9377 2009/01/10 17:17:32 ulm Exp $
> +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v 1.9378 2009/01/10 21:41:41 hollow Exp $
>  #
>  # When you add an entry to the top of this file, add your name, the date, and
>  # an explanation of why something is getting masked. Please be extremely
> @@ -31,6 +31,11 @@
>  
>  #--- END OF EXAMPLES ---
>  
> +# Benedikt Böhm <hollow@gentoo.org> (10 Jan 2009)
> +# baselayout-vserver is unmaintained and obsoleted by
> +# baselayout-2/openrc. please upgrade. removal in 30 days.
> +sys-apps/baselayout-vserver
> +
>  # Rémi Cardona <remi@gentoo.org> (09 Jan 2009)
>  # old virtual left from the transition from monolithic
>  # to modular X. Use x11-libs/libXft directly
> 
> 
> 
> 

This is bad, because:

- - you forgot the ChangeLog entry
- - you forgot the last rites mail
- - baselayout-2/openrc isn't stable yet, in fact it's even masked in
profiles/targets/vserver/package.mask

Regards,
Friedrich
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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Benedikt Böhm]

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On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:56:52AM +0100, Friedrich Oslage wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Benedikt Boehm (hollow) schrieb:
> > hollow      09/01/10 21:41:41
> > 
> >   Modified:             package.mask
> >   Log:
> >   mask sys-apps/baselayout-vserver for removal
> > 
> > Revision  Changes    Path
> > 1.9378               profiles/package.mask
> > 
> > file : http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?rev=1.9378&view=markup
> > plain: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?rev=1.9378&content-type=text/plain
> > diff : http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?r1=1.9377&r2=1.9378
> > 
> > Index: package.mask
> > ===================================================================
> > RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v
> > retrieving revision 1.9377
> > retrieving revision 1.9378
> > diff -u -r1.9377 -r1.9378
> > --- package.mask	10 Jan 2009 17:17:32 -0000	1.9377
> > +++ package.mask	10 Jan 2009 21:41:41 -0000	1.9378
> > @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
> >  ####################################################################
> > -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v 1.9377 2009/01/10 17:17:32 ulm Exp $
> > +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v 1.9378 2009/01/10 21:41:41 hollow Exp $
> >  #
> >  # When you add an entry to the top of this file, add your name, the date, and
> >  # an explanation of why something is getting masked. Please be extremely
> > @@ -31,6 +31,11 @@
> >  
> >  #--- END OF EXAMPLES ---
> >  
> > +# Benedikt Böhm <hollow@gentoo.org> (10 Jan 2009)
> > +# baselayout-vserver is unmaintained and obsoleted by
> > +# baselayout-2/openrc. please upgrade. removal in 30 days.
> > +sys-apps/baselayout-vserver
> > +
> >  # Rémi Cardona <remi@gentoo.org> (09 Jan 2009)
> >  # old virtual left from the transition from monolithic
> >  # to modular X. Use x11-libs/libXft directly
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> This is bad, because:
> 
> - - you forgot the ChangeLog entry

`cvs log` is the changelog, i don't see why i should add a changelog entry.

> - - you forgot the last rites mail

indeed

> - - baselayout-2/openrc isn't stable yet, in fact it's even masked in
> profiles/targets/vserver/package.mask

i don't care. baselayout-vserver is a hack, the vserver profiles are
deprecated since ages (although i think the restructuring revived them),
and the vserver team (that's only me currently) doesn't support anything
else beside openrc.

Greets,
Bene

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Ryan Hill]

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On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:31:03 +0100
Benedikt Böhm <hollow@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:56:52AM +0100, Friedrich Oslage wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > Benedikt Boehm (hollow) schrieb:
> > > hollow      09/01/10 21:41:41
> > > 
> > >   Modified:             package.mask
> > >   Log:
> > >   mask sys-apps/baselayout-vserver for removal
> > > 
> > > Revision  Changes    Path
> > > 1.9378               profiles/package.mask
> > > 
> > > file :
> > > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?rev=1.9378&view=markup
> > > plain:
> > > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?rev=1.9378&content-type=text/plain
> > > diff :
> > > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?r1=1.9377&r2=1.9378
> > > 
> > > Index: package.mask
> > > ===================================================================
> > > RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v
> > > retrieving revision 1.9377
> > > retrieving revision 1.9378
> > > diff -u -r1.9377 -r1.9378
> > > --- package.mask	10 Jan 2009 17:17:32 -0000	1.9377
> > > +++ package.mask	10 Jan 2009 21:41:41 -0000	1.9378
> > > @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
> > >  ####################################################################
> > > -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v
> > > 1.9377 2009/01/10 17:17:32 ulm Exp $ +#
> > > $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v 1.9378
> > > 2009/01/10 21:41:41 hollow Exp $ # # When you add an entry to the
> > > top of this file, add your name, the date, and # an explanation
> > > of why something is getting masked. Please be extremely @@ -31,6
> > > +31,11 @@ 
> > >  #--- END OF EXAMPLES ---
> > >  
> > > +# Benedikt Böhm <hollow@gentoo.org> (10 Jan 2009)
> > > +# baselayout-vserver is unmaintained and obsoleted by
> > > +# baselayout-2/openrc. please upgrade. removal in 30 days.
> > > +sys-apps/baselayout-vserver
> > > +
> > >  # Rémi Cardona <remi@gentoo.org> (09 Jan 2009)
> > >  # old virtual left from the transition from monolithic
> > >  # to modular X. Use x11-libs/libXft directly
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > This is bad, because:
> > 
> > - - you forgot the ChangeLog entry
> 
> `cvs log` is the changelog, i don't see why i should add a changelog
> entry.

for the same reason packages have ChangeLogs.  cvs logs don't come
with the tree.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/45198

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Peter Volkov]

В Вск, 11/01/2009 в 10:31 +0100, Benedikt Böhm пишет:
> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:56:52AM +0100, Friedrich Oslage wrote:
> > - - you forgot the ChangeLog entry
> 
> `cvs log` is the changelog, i don't see why i should add a changelog entry.

There is the same reason as for ChangeLogs for ebuilds. Users (I'm user
too) don't have cvs log at hand at their systems but still consider that
it's important to know about changes.

Is it really hard to script `echangelog "msg" && cvs commit -m "msg"`?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[AllenJB]

Peter Volkov wrote:
> В Вск, 11/01/2009 в 10:31 +0100, Benedikt Böhm пишет:
>> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:56:52AM +0100, Friedrich Oslage wrote:
>>> - - you forgot the ChangeLog entry
>> `cvs log` is the changelog, i don't see why i should add a changelog entry.
> 
> There is the same reason as for ChangeLogs for ebuilds. Users (I'm user
> too) don't have cvs log at hand at their systems but still consider that
> it's important to know about changes.
> 
> Is it really hard to script `echangelog "msg" && cvs commit -m "msg"`?
> 
In my opinion the cvs commit log and the ChangeLog serve 2 different 
purposes. The cvs log is for developers while the ChangeLog is for 
users. While the cvs log will likely just want to explain what change 
was made, the ChangeLog should explain why it was made.

Developers need to realise that users don't know everything about the 
software they use and don't always pin down the reasons for unexpected 
beviour. Users also don't always read the documentation given to them.

This has been seen recently in the change of default behavior of the 
world set in stable portage is a good example of this. Many users didn't 
even know about the --update option and many don't read post-commit 
messages (I expect because they don't realise the importance of those 
messages or how they can change the ELOG options to make the messages 
easier to read, for example by having them emailed to them).

There are other examples of insufficient information being given to 
users too - the dvdnav USE flag was masked recently, but neither the 
ChangeLog or the cvs commit message give any indication as to why this 
occurred.

In my opinion Gentoo developers need to do more to communicate with 
their users. This could be as simple as prominently posting 
documentation on the elog system and how to tailor it. Or it might 
involve posting more announcements to the Gentoo website (which would 
double up and make the project look more active than it currently does 
from its front page).

AllenJB

PS. I know about index2.xml - but that doesn't look like it's going to 
be the main front page any time soon at the moment, which is a real 
shame because it has some awesome changes.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Alec Warner]

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:05 AM, AllenJB <gentoo-lists@allenjb.me.uk> wrote:
> Peter Volkov wrote:
>>
>> В Вск, 11/01/2009 в 10:31 +0100, Benedikt Böhm пишет:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:56:52AM +0100, Friedrich Oslage wrote:
>>>>
>>>> - - you forgot the ChangeLog entry
>>>
>>> `cvs log` is the changelog, i don't see why i should add a changelog
>>> entry.
>>
>> There is the same reason as for ChangeLogs for ebuilds. Users (I'm user
>> too) don't have cvs log at hand at their systems but still consider that
>> it's important to know about changes.
>>
>> Is it really hard to script `echangelog "msg" && cvs commit -m "msg"`?
>>
> In my opinion the cvs commit log and the ChangeLog serve 2 different
> purposes. The cvs log is for developers while the ChangeLog is for users.
> While the cvs log will likely just want to explain what change was made, the
> ChangeLog should explain why it was made.
>
> Developers need to realise that users don't know everything about the
> software they use and don't always pin down the reasons for unexpected
> beviour. Users also don't always read the documentation given to them.
>
> This has been seen recently in the change of default behavior of the world
> set in stable portage is a good example of this. Many users didn't even know
> about the --update option and many don't read post-commit messages (I expect
> because they don't realise the importance of those messages or how they can
> change the ELOG options to make the messages easier to read, for example by
> having them emailed to them).
>
> There are other examples of insufficient information being given to users
> too - the dvdnav USE flag was masked recently, but neither the ChangeLog or
> the cvs commit message give any indication as to why this occurred.
>
> In my opinion Gentoo developers need to do more to communicate with their
> users. This could be as simple as prominently posting documentation on the
> elog system and how to tailor it. Or it might involve posting more
> announcements to the Gentoo website (which would double up and make the
> project look more active than it currently does from its front page).

It sounds like you just volunteered to write an article on elog for
the GMN...am I reading your post correctly? :)

>
> AllenJB
>
> PS. I know about index2.xml - but that doesn't look like it's going to be
> the main front page any time soon at the moment, which is a real shame
> because it has some awesome changes.
>
>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On 11:05 Mon 12 Jan     , AllenJB wrote:
> In my opinion the cvs commit log and the ChangeLog serve 2 different  
> purposes. The cvs log is for developers while the ChangeLog is for  
> users. While the cvs log will likely just want to explain what change  
> was made, the ChangeLog should explain why it was made.

So if you want to know both, you need to look in 2 places? That doesn't 
seem very nice to me. Also in a distributed VCS, we'd want to generate 
ChangeLogs from the commit logs to avoid all kinds of annoying conflict 
resolution and remove redundant information.

> PS. I know about index2.xml - but that doesn't look like it's going to  
> be the main front page any time soon at the moment, which is a real  
> shame because it has some awesome changes.

I need to write up an announcement for the changes, then Xavier will 
flip the switch. Think days not weeks.

-- 
Thanks,
Donnie

Donnie Berkholz
Developer, Gentoo Linux
Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Maciej Mrozowski]

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On Thursday 15 of January 2009 05:24:41 Donnie Berkholz wrote:

> So if you want to know both, you need to look in 2 places? That doesn't
> seem very nice to me. Also in a distributed VCS, we'd want to generate
> ChangeLogs from the commit logs to avoid all kinds of annoying conflict
> resolution and remove redundant information.

Hmm... or the other way around, so that, after making changes, echangelog 
would generate ChangeLog entry, then repoman manifest, and at the end repoman 
commit could just pick this entry and place as commit message.

It would of course make sense when all commits were 'atomic' in some way - 
(one commit per package/directory - if there's no such policy already).

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regards
MM

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Peter Volkov]

В Срд, 14/01/2009 в 20:24 -0800, Donnie Berkholz пишет:
> On 11:05 Mon 12 Jan     , AllenJB wrote:
> > In my opinion the cvs commit log and the ChangeLog serve 2 different  
> > purposes. The cvs log is for developers while the ChangeLog is for  
> > users. While the cvs log will likely just want to explain what change  
> > was made, the ChangeLog should explain why it was made.
> 
> So if you want to know both, you need to look in 2 places? That doesn't 
> seem very nice to me. 

We do not distribute portage tree trough cvs and rsync does not have
ChangeLog's. But even with cvs, cvs log is very slow ...

> Also in a distributed VCS, we'd want to generate 
> ChangeLogs from the commit logs

True. But portage tree is still CVS and until this happened we need
document all changes in ChangeLog's.

-- 
Peter.

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Samuli Suominen]

On 06/17/2011 04:10 PM, Stuart Longland (redhatter) wrote:
> redhatter    11/06/17 13:10:02
> 
>   Modified:             package.mask
>   Log:
>   Masking of media-radio/svxlink-090426 and media-radio/gmfsk.  The former will
>   need a major overhaul, and I intend to replace the ebuild with a newer one.
>   
>   The latter, no point in keeping it around as media-radio/fldigi does the same
>   and more.  That, and gmfsk is no longer maintained... so out it goes.
> 
> Revision  Changes    Path
> 1.12844              profiles/package.mask
> 
> file : http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?rev=1.12844&view=markup
> plain: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?rev=1.12844&content-type=text/plain
> diff : http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?r1=1.12843&r2=1.12844
> 
> Index: package.mask
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v
> retrieving revision 1.12843
> retrieving revision 1.12844
> diff -u -r1.12843 -r1.12844
> --- package.mask	17 Jun 2011 09:55:07 -0000	1.12843
> +++ package.mask	17 Jun 2011 13:10:02 -0000	1.12844
> @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
>  ####################################################################
> -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v 1.12843 2011/06/17 09:55:07 olemarkus Exp $
> +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v 1.12844 2011/06/17 13:10:02 redhatter Exp $
>  #
>  # When you add an entry to the top of this file, add your name, the date, and
>  # an explanation of why something is getting masked. Please be extremely
> @@ -31,6 +31,18 @@
>  
>  #--- END OF EXAMPLES ---
>  
> +# Stuart Longland <redhatter@gentoo.org> (17 Jun 2011)
> +# Masked for removal within 30 days.  Will be replacing it with updated
> +# ebuilds to address numerous issues.  See bugs #336993, #336199, #369881
> +# and #335307.
> +=media-radio/svxlink-090426
> +
> +# Stuart Longland <redhatter@gentoo.org> (17 Jun 2011)
> +# Masked for removal within 30 days.  There is a newer version upstream but it
> +# doesn't compile for me, and upstream is now dead.  As an alternative, have a
> +# look at media-radio/fldigi instead. (See bug #259451)
> +media-radio/fldigi

That doesn't make much sense... Mask fldigi and suggest it at the same time?

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Samuli Suominen]

Missing ChangeLog entry; echangelog works in profiles/

On 05/22/2012 11:16 AM, Michael Weber (xmw) wrote:
> xmw         12/05/22 08:16:33
>
>    Modified:             package.mask
>    Log:
>    mask x11-wm/parti
>
> Revision  Changes    Path
> 1.13781              profiles/package.mask
>
> file : http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?rev=1.13781&view=markup
> plain: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?rev=1.13781&content-type=text/plain
> diff : http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?r1=1.13780&r2=1.13781
>
> Index: package.mask
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v
> retrieving revision 1.13780
> retrieving revision 1.13781
> diff -u -r1.13780 -r1.13781
> --- package.mask	22 May 2012 05:09:29 -0000	1.13780
> +++ package.mask	22 May 2012 08:16:32 -0000	1.13781
> @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
>   ####################################################################
> -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v 1.13780 2012/05/22 05:09:29 dirtyepic Exp $
> +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v 1.13781 2012/05/22 08:16:32 xmw Exp $
>   #
>   # When you add an entry to the top of this file, add your name, the date, and
>   # an explanation of why something is getting masked. Please be extremely
> @@ -31,6 +31,11 @@
>
>   #--- END OF EXAMPLES ---
>
> +# Michael Weber<xmw@gentoo.org>  (22 May 2012)
> +# Masked for removal in 30 days.
> +# Replaced by x11-wm/xpra.
> +x11-wm/parti
> +
>   # Samuli Suominen<ssuominen@gentoo.org>  (20 May 2012)
>   # Still using vulnerable net-libs/xulrunner wrt bug 412341
>   # Build problems wrt bug 390325
>
>
>
>

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Michael Weber]

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fixed.

On 05/22/2012 10:48 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> Missing ChangeLog entry; echangelog works in profiles/
> 
> On 05/22/2012 11:16 AM, Michael Weber (xmw) wrote:
>> xmw         12/05/22 08:16:33
>> 
>> Modified:             package.mask Log: mask x11-wm/parti
>> 
>> Revision  Changes    Path 1.13781
>> profiles/package.mask
>> 
>> file : 
>> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?rev=1.13781&view=markup
>>
>>
>> 
plain:
>> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?rev=1.13781&content-type=text/plain
>>
>>
>> 
diff :
>> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?r1=1.13780&r2=1.13781
>>
>>
>>
>> 
Index: package.mask
>> ===================================================================
>>
>> 
RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v
>> retrieving revision 1.13780 retrieving revision 1.13781 diff -u
>> -r1.13780 -r1.13781 --- package.mask    22 May 2012 05:09:29
>> -0000    1.13780 +++ package.mask    22 May 2012 08:16:32 -0000
>> 1.13781 @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ 
>> ####################################################################
>>
>> 
- -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v 1.13780
>> 2012/05/22 05:09:29 dirtyepic Exp $ +# $Header:
>> /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v 1.13781 
>> 2012/05/22 08:16:32 xmw Exp $ # # When you add an entry to the
>> top of this file, add your name, the date, and # an explanation
>> of why something is getting masked. Please be extremely @@ -31,6
>> +31,11 @@
>> 
>> #--- END OF EXAMPLES ---
>> 
>> +# Michael Weber<xmw@gentoo.org>  (22 May 2012) +# Masked for
>> removal in 30 days. +# Replaced by x11-wm/xpra. +x11-wm/parti + #
>> Samuli Suominen<ssuominen@gentoo.org>  (20 May 2012) # Still
>> using vulnerable net-libs/xulrunner wrt bug 412341 # Build
>> problems wrt bug 390325
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 


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http://xmw.de/
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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: package.mask

[Markos Chandras]

On 12 February 2013 12:45, Ian Delaney (idella4) <idella4@gentoo.org> wrote:
> idella4     13/02/12 12:45:55
>
>   Modified:             package.mask
>   Log:
>   xen-tools-4.2.1-r2.ebuild masked due to need for further refinement, adding to virtualizarion overlay
>
> Revision  Changes    Path
> 1.14465              profiles/package.mask
>
> file : http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?rev=1.14465&view=markup
> plain: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?rev=1.14465&content-type=text/plain
> diff : http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask?r1=1.14464&r2=1.14465
>
> Index: package.mask
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v
> retrieving revision 1.14464
> retrieving revision 1.14465
> diff -u -r1.14464 -r1.14465
> --- package.mask        12 Feb 2013 07:19:29 -0000      1.14464
> +++ package.mask        12 Feb 2013 12:45:54 -0000      1.14465
> @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
>  ####################################################################
> -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v 1.14464 2013/02/12 07:19:29 graaff Exp $
> +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/package.mask,v 1.14465 2013/02/12 12:45:54 idella4 Exp $
>  #
>  # When you add an entry to the top of this file, add your name, the date, and
>  # an explanation of why something is getting masked. Please be extremely
> @@ -31,6 +31,12 @@
>
>  #--- END OF EXAMPLES ---
>
> +# Ian Delaney <idella4@gentoo.org> (12 Feb 2013)
> +# This is a work in progress targeting an old bug
> +# but followed by very keen users.  It will be either
> +# abandonned or implemented down the track pending further support
> +=app-emulation/xen-tools-4.2.1-r2
> +
>  # Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (11 Feb 2013)
>  # The 3 files from this package are part of the linux-firmware
>  # package now. Removal in 30 days.
>
>
>
>

Please also write an entry in the ChangeLog file as well.

-- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer
http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang