From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D491381F3 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C65DC21C047; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oa0-f53.google.com (mail-oa0-f53.google.com [209.85.219.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 333FD21C108 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id j6so5751145oag.40 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:43:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=A2CtP9Fyeog0Hfz8a2Xi/ODYTtL6K+uASVTPPBdC3N4=; b=tMS5KdtY7vWzjnNBapKQJCW2rOf4JgzFwmAhEVnYOYAOHj4CtS5VbUppyKNjrwZSAD JeyZbMIAnKR+AtMKOcGU/BfV3OnDwJHoTk250WOs5mRlXbNUnH5xdGm5OaCPiRadyX9u GgxoFzTz817+uCm+SlWSucolQGlbRx3nh8iFXOrdtv4M84tv7gqYP7Ps6+2nndrEEDX4 nDhG/22xJ7FqYyzI7WGeuiIbsximD7tKOY7ZE9f6jXeF1WaQ4c5ITbt6myVaJ6puFNKO kMT7n2loPTdBRgSXOpOFPcvtGWRhPKzuwhxGt8jTPVP6IRCTYDh2uiQxdDs8v4G4ChIZ 8nNg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.12.99 with SMTP id x3mr11556229oeb.71.1355741006390; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:43:26 -0800 (PST) Sender: markos.chandras@gmail.com Received: by 10.76.28.169 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:43:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201212161954.00706.dilfridge@gentoo.org> References: <50CDFD7F.7040207@orlitzky.com> <201212161954.00706.dilfridge@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:26 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: xWmhLzfYDCcXuV-f95UMpDf1dwY Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...) From: Markos Chandras To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: c3422d82-b7e2-4edf-9544-f3ca780cab38 X-Archives-Hash: 81d9f496e413d2bfee8eb5a35af71f37 On 16 December 2012 18:53, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> 1. Even MediaWiki (wiki.gentoo.org) looks better than www.gentoo.org. >> That's impressive-bad. >> >> People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro that's broken all >> the time, when in reality, it's one of the most stable. No one >> would suspect that anything has changed, though, since the >> homepage hasn't since before I could drink beer. >> >> It makes the entire distro look unmaintained. > > Yeah. Stable. Hehe... > > The problem with the entire webpage is that is coded in an extremely obscure > way. It is probably easier to 100% replace it from scratch than to modify and > improve it. Yes, I've tried to analyze once how e.g. the table of blog posts > or the GLSA announcements on the main page come together. > > My personal suggestion would be to code an internal replacement and > transparently port more and more pages to it (as a change mostly invisible > from outside, with two content management systems running concurrently for a > transition period). Once the transition is complete, improvements can be made > in a more sweeping way. > > How to do this, however, and what software to target should probably be > decided by people who know more than me... and in the end it all boils down to > "who has the time and motivation". Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in doing this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us actually have the time to invest in a complete webpage redesign. > > >> 2. Nowhere is it actually spelled out how to become a developer. >> Let's google "how to become a gentoo developer." This takes me >> to... >> >> > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1&chap=2 >> >> which as far as I know, is complete bullshit. I should look for an >> opening in the monthly newsletter? Really? Or in #gentoo-bugs? > > That page BADLY needs an update. It should however probably also reflect > reality in the sense that you cannot really "apply to become a developer". > What you can do is help out, be useful, get noticed, and be offered the job. > (That at least is my personal impression on how it works.) Different devs got involved it totally different ways. But yes, you need to get involved in a team to get noticed and understand how things work. That a fairly good start. The fact that there are hundreds of different ways to reach a point where a recruiter picks you for interview makes it hard to document it. -- Regards, Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2