From: Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-kernel] Proper distribution integration of kernel *-sources, patches and configuration.
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 21:14:45 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAG2jQ8gh0prh+hSY12+bvXi5EazpjbDMv3NzBQ7Q0JJm31j_RQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAET+hMQKOOsoK0H2wzOGK+ykq0WdyXSb6s3AQnBREe3nyi8ELA@mail.gmail.com>
On 1 July 2013 20:09, Matthew Summers <quantumsummers@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Tom Wijsman <TomWij@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Jul 2013 19:38:48 +0100
>> Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I certainly don't feel safe anymore running non-upstream code in
>>> production boxes.
>>
>> You don't run it unless you explicitly tick on that you want
>> experimental functionality _as well as_ the optional features in
>> question; as I said earlier on chat, I don't understand your point here.
>>
>> If you don't enable them, genpatches is just like it is before; I'm
>> not sure why the recommendations should change here, especially with
>> vanilla-sources taking a further step away from Gentoo Security and QA.
>>
>
> Tom,
>
> I think the point was well-made by grehkh. If the patchset patches the
> kernel's core, it doesn't matter what CONFIG_* option is set the core
> kernel code _has_now_been_changed_. This is the crux of the argument,
> I believe. AUFS simply being one example of this. I'm sure there are
> others.
>
> --
> Matthew W. Summers
> Gentoo Foundation Inc.
> GPG: 111B C438 35FA EDB5 B5D3 736F 45EE 5DC0 0878 9D46
>
And besides that, I am sure that 98% of our users out there do not
know they run a (heavily?) modified upstream kernel when they emerge
the official/supported gentoo-sources. The transition between the
minimal genpatches to the "new-shiny-feature-full" was made behind the
scenes.
This should have been communicated earlier in time.
If you ask me, I would prefer if you apply all the 3rd-party patches
conditionally (use flag?, maybe a new gentoo-sources-ng ebuild?)
It's really scary to have the BFQ in a stable gentoo-sources ebuild.
--
Regards,
Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer
http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang
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Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-07-01 14:41 [gentoo-dev] Proper distribution integration of kernel *-sources, patches and configuration Tom Wijsman
2013-07-01 15:14 ` Ben de Groot
2013-07-01 15:20 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-kernel] " Jeff Horelick
2013-07-01 18:30 ` Anthony G. Basile
2013-07-01 19:07 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-07-01 19:24 ` Greg KH
2013-07-01 19:40 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-07-01 19:55 ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-07-01 19:59 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-07-01 20:03 ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-07-01 20:06 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-07-01 20:24 ` Christoph Junghans
2013-07-01 20:27 ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-07-01 20:25 ` Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
2013-07-01 21:18 ` Anthony G. Basile
2013-07-01 16:20 ` [gentoo-dev] " Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
2013-07-01 16:28 ` hasufell
2013-07-01 17:35 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-07-01 17:52 ` Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
2013-07-05 0:19 ` Mike Pagano
2013-07-17 21:11 ` Donnie Berkholz
2013-07-01 18:17 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-kernel] " Greg KH
2013-07-01 18:38 ` Markos Chandras
2013-07-01 18:56 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-07-01 19:09 ` Matthew Summers
2013-07-01 19:25 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-07-01 19:33 ` Greg KH
2013-07-01 19:50 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-07-03 10:45 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-07-03 12:42 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-07-04 2:00 ` Walter Dnes
2013-07-04 5:37 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-07-04 7:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2013-07-04 5:27 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-07-04 7:57 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-07-05 8:38 ` Steven J. Long
2013-07-05 9:04 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-07-09 15:12 ` Steven J. Long
2013-07-01 20:14 ` Markos Chandras [this message]
2013-07-01 20:25 ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-07-01 21:26 ` Anthony G. Basile
2013-07-01 21:30 ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-07-01 21:55 ` Anthony G. Basile
2013-07-01 20:31 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-07-01 18:45 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-07-01 19:23 ` Greg KH
2013-07-01 19:33 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-07-01 21:17 ` Anthony G. Basile
2013-07-01 21:24 ` Greg KH
2013-07-01 21:53 ` Anthony G. Basile
2013-07-02 8:31 ` gentoo-checkconf script " Michael Weber
2013-07-03 11:40 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-checkconf script " Steven J. Long
2013-07-01 21:55 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2013-07-02 1:36 ` Richard Yao
2013-07-02 1:44 ` Richard Yao
2013-07-02 1:56 ` Greg KH
2013-07-02 3:29 ` Richard Yao
2013-07-02 3:40 ` Richard Yao
2013-07-02 19:39 ` Greg KH
2013-07-02 3:31 ` Richard Yao
2013-07-02 7:36 ` [gentoo-dev] " Sergei Trofimovich
2013-07-02 8:21 ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-07-02 8:37 ` Michael Weber
2013-07-02 8:52 ` Michael Weber
2013-07-02 18:16 ` Sergei Trofimovich
2013-07-03 13:06 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-07-03 13:52 ` Sergei Trofimovich
2013-07-03 15:18 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-07-03 16:10 ` Sergei Trofimovich
2013-07-02 10:08 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-07-02 21:48 ` Tomáš Pružina
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