From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69501139694 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2017 08:16:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 15C822340AF; Sat, 1 Jul 2017 08:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr0-x22d.google.com (mail-wr0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A462D234003 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2017 08:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id c11so213431743wrc.3 for ; Sat, 01 Jul 2017 01:16:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=/es2BpuvPrLO6E7iwPvnc5ZuIh8OedwD38n2rl1db4k=; b=CfOXsRqw4/qPZMrTSile/DfwbyXI4pH8BETnbjaT0u1+mQO9ByfA/P/e8JOzageETy E6vEe5yHjs2HH0RIanXb7RzXr+/6+4rcY0qzr9ujJ5p9jYulFrT4fijb6sAja/5ZRzi/ vMEbYHPMh/+97ZdkGjeTsETm+U5BrWNkuuX3JT//IipErieLI0GiAweH0xfHm5mzU6s+ cHm4YBseDGEjd0rRLd0NReCGjw5/MZ2lQedgs6zsuyYMAR+RgiSsQ+Ybu6OuC6ivUueU g6ilLcTBOdvBRXwUWGPPmnJQsz84tlknt0p/ovmZ95Gs3xTIGzidAZldUZKDb9pThOHh UrYA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=/es2BpuvPrLO6E7iwPvnc5ZuIh8OedwD38n2rl1db4k=; b=Z4xbaTROVq0Ls+28KChNg/BmdfdLRbEIJ+7OxdS6hZ4EMCcMoDwXDpxdhRmifak5st 3Tqezja3ikbj0W3KtxIn4N4v5eccdhoi5VRURio68ouek4/RXwyZOKeL13hzidlPm3fa NlSm4ISvhsX08+3DZMCbl3Q9OcluduzDvAnrsRyt5FimDG9SgW0AmztIV0oZwyO5bnEA YMm7QfPg8ETDTI91T42qcVnCetrvQovCEFxrRSUgB3U40JlZvntP6wp+ap91CEsMpbff LO780sFH7EeOxh2BuXw/rtZ729pPMSZpQ8XggzyqZQACac461H10NfAxXIKb5i4Ymps0 QAVw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOxDX6RCYQ3brrRT0KYZ9IXxoXAPZ+az2NhzncTFByu6o2JAaYE/ xsV3mTH6Qnqb1nS9QXI/CFby43/4fmyM X-Received: by 10.223.179.13 with SMTP id j13mr29477157wrd.108.1498896963125; Sat, 01 Jul 2017 01:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.164.27 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jul 2017 01:16:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20170630171606.GA7044@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> References: <20170630171606.GA7044@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> From: Azamat Hackimov Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 13:16:02 +0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] lua upgrade plan To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org, rafaelmartins@gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c1b4eb40acaee05533d25c5" X-Archives-Salt: 6d2d2347-58ea-4a43-a84e-821449058760 X-Archives-Hash: 69fdf0d128c9b727ada866e81b962050 --94eb2c1b4eb40acaee05533d25c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" 2017-06-30 22:16 GMT+05:00 William Hubbs : > All, > > Upstream does not support liblua as a shared library, and they do not > support installing multiple versions of lua onto a system. After > conferring with the other lua maintainer, the decision has been made to > remove this custom support from our lua package as well. This has been > talked about many times upstream. Lua devs very "hostile" to Linux distributers. I don't see why we should do as they want to do. They not have open vcs to simply see what they changes in new release, they don't accepts patches for system integration. They didn't even elementary easy-to-use build system. Just look to another distributives, they all do versioned and shared libraries of Lua 5.{1,2,3}. Fedora devs did custom Autotools-based buildsystem, Debian - provided pkg-config files. There also exists excellent LuaDist framework - still outdated, yes, but we can take from them CMake buildsystem to provide better integration into Gentoo enviroment. You have so many options but you still want to follow unwelcome Lua rules. > They do not want it, and using liblua as a shared library causes > performance issues. > Why, we live in XXI century, where this argument came from? What about security, did you forgot about it? How do you planning to do backward compatibility with old lua5.1 libraries and projects? They definitely have breakage since lua 5.2 and 5.3 not compatible with each other. Why Lua can't have same eclass as multislotted Python or Ruby? Lua ecosystem not so big, about 500 packages so why there no even little efforts to make Lua support in Gentoo better? -- >From Siberia with Love! --94eb2c1b4eb40acaee05533d25c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2017-06-30 22:16 GMT+05:00 William Hubbs <williamh= @gentoo.org>:
All,

Upstream does not support liblua as a shared library, and they do not support installing multiple versions of lua onto a system. After
conferring with the other lua maintainer, the decision has been made to
remove this custom support from our lua package as well. This has been
talked about many times upstream.

Lua= devs very "hostile" to Linux distributers. I don't see why w= e should do as they want to do.
They not have open vcs to simply = see what they changes in new release, they don't accepts
patc= hes for system integration. They didn't even elementary easy-to-use bui= ld system. Just
look to another distributives, they all do = versioned and shared libraries of Lua 5.{1,2,3}. Fedora
devs did = custom Autotools-based buildsystem, Debian - provided pkg-config files. The= re also
exists excellent LuaDist framework - still outdated, yes,= but we can take from them CMake=C2=A0
buildsystem to provide bet= ter integration into Gentoo enviroment. You have so many options
= but you still want to follow unwelcome Lua rules.
=C2=A0
They do not want it, and= using liblua as a shared library causes performance issues.

Why, we live in XXI century, where this argument came= from? What about security, did you=C2=A0
forgot about it? How do= you planning to do backward compatibility with old lua5.1 libraries
<= div>and projects? They definitely have breakage since lua 5.2 and 5.3 not c= ompatible with each
other. Why Lua can't have same eclass as = multislotted Python or Ruby? Lua ecosystem not
so big, about 500 = packages so why there no even little efforts to make Lua support in Gentoo<= /div>
better?

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