From: Azamat Hackimov <azamat.hackimov@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Current unavoidable use of xz utils in Gentoo
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2024 17:56:51 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFqVybq+3eME-SGHcdJ=H=5HFOvDa10z_bcQVHU_tXhnhzF88w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a2e3bb067a078bffaa860bdf5e11977d.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net>
сб, 30 мар. 2024 г. в 06:07, Eddie Chapman <eddie@ehuk.net>:
>
> Given what we've learnt in the last 24hrs about xz utilities, you could
> forgive a paranoid person for seriously considering getting rid entirely
> of them from their systems, especially since there are suitable
> alternatives available. Some might say that's a bit extreme, xz-utils
> will get a thorough audit and it will all be fine. But when a malicious
> actor has been a key maintainer of something as complex as a decompression
> utility for years, I'm not sure I could ever trust that codebase again.
> Maybe a complete rewrite will emerge, but I'm personally unwilling to
> continue using xz utils in the meantime for uncompressing anything on my
> systems, even if it is done by an unprivileged process.
>
> I see that many system package ebuilds unconditionally expect
> app-arch/xz-utils to be installed simply to be able to decompress the
> source archive in SRC_URI. So simply specifying -lzma on your system isn't
> going to get rid of it.
>
> No one could have been expected to foresee what's happened with xz-utils,
> but now that it's here, perhaps Gentoo (and other projects that do) should
> consider not relying on a single decompression algorithm for source
> archives, even just as an insurance against some other yet unknown
> disaster with one algorithm or another in future?
>
> And yes I'm sure there will be individual packages that currently
> absolutely need xz-utils installed during the build process, and one or
> two that absolutely have to have it available at runtime, but those
> bridges can be crossed as and when.
>
> Eddie
>
>
There is no problem in the XZ/LZMA format itself as the reference
algorithm is not compromised. It's all about trust between developers
of application and developers of distribution. If you lost trust to
xz-utils's developers, you may use alternatives like app-arch/pxz or
app-arch/pixz. I don't see reasons why we should change format instead
of changing a tool.
--
From Siberia with Love!
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Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-03-30 3:07 [gentoo-dev] Current unavoidable use of xz utils in Gentoo Eddie Chapman
2024-03-30 3:43 ` orbea
2024-03-30 7:06 ` Dale
2024-03-30 10:47 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2024-03-30 11:32 ` [gentoo-dev] " Rich Freeman
2024-03-30 14:57 ` Eddie Chapman
2024-03-30 15:02 ` Michał Górny
2024-03-30 15:17 ` Eddie Chapman
2024-03-30 15:29 ` Michał Górny
2024-03-30 15:59 ` Eddie Chapman
2024-03-30 16:07 ` Dale
2024-03-30 17:13 ` Re[2]: " Stefan Schmiedl
2024-03-30 17:36 ` Eddie Chapman
2024-03-31 1:41 ` Thomas Gall
2024-03-30 23:49 ` Eddie Chapman
2024-03-31 1:36 ` Eli Schwartz
2024-03-30 15:23 ` orbea
2024-03-30 15:14 ` Rich Freeman
2024-03-30 17:19 ` Eddie Chapman
2024-03-31 1:25 ` Sam James
2024-03-31 1:33 ` Eli Schwartz
2024-03-31 11:13 ` Eddie Chapman
2024-03-31 11:59 ` Matt Jolly
2024-04-01 7:57 ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-01 14:50 ` Eli Schwartz
2024-04-02 8:43 ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-02 19:46 ` Eli Schwartz
2024-04-02 20:19 ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-01 14:55 ` Michał Górny
2024-04-02 9:02 ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-01 15:14 ` Kenton Groombridge
2024-04-01 15:40 ` orbea
2024-04-01 16:01 ` Kenton Groombridge
2024-04-01 16:21 ` orbea
2024-04-01 18:51 ` Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT
2024-04-01 20:07 ` James Le Cuirot
2024-04-02 6:32 ` Joonas Niilola
2024-03-31 11:32 ` stefan11111
2024-04-01 14:56 ` Azamat Hackimov [this message]
2024-04-02 19:32 ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-03 11:47 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2024-04-03 12:14 ` Sam James
2024-04-03 15:30 ` [gentoo-dev] " Eddie Chapman
2024-04-03 16:40 ` Michael Orlitzky
2024-04-04 3:20 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2024-04-04 3:49 ` [gentoo-dev] " Eli Schwartz
2024-04-04 8:32 ` Sam James
2024-04-04 8:34 ` Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT
2024-04-04 14:38 ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-04 14:24 ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-06 11:57 ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-06 12:15 ` Ulrich Mueller
2024-04-06 12:34 ` Roy Bamford
2024-04-06 14:04 ` Fabian Groffen
2024-04-07 6:44 ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-06 16:15 ` Sam James
2024-04-07 11:24 ` Eddie Chapman
2024-04-11 5:21 ` Joonas Niilola
2024-04-12 7:18 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2024-04-13 7:10 ` [gentoo-dev] " Eddie Chapman
2024-04-03 12:22 ` [gentoo-dev] " Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT
2024-04-03 12:26 ` Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT
2024-04-04 1:41 ` Duncan
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