From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A95B139083 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 00:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 85737E0F17; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 00:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9B3AE0E81; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 00:37:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-it0-f54.google.com (mail-it0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mattst88) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 31CC633BF01; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 00:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-it0-f54.google.com with SMTP id t1so8839565ite.5; Sun, 03 Dec 2017 16:37:31 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJN4jqaGns77oNzq7MGf898i27f8KtYWCYf1y5CAGZc8K6lL+pz kNdJzRrh+nBBV30eGG8lE3fLcDrOP74s9gmT1nE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbX56hrHns/sM3XJWpdDvv7smUHaKtII+Ae230miZ9ot1PaB722NcPbuWxdMXGEZJZ8JzlzGQj7YEotkPVyCr0= X-Received: by 10.36.138.1 with SMTP id v1mr11109670itd.103.1512347849358; Sun, 03 Dec 2017 16:37:29 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.152.46 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 16:37:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1512256684.30000.48.camel@gentoo.org> References: <1512256684.30000.48.camel@gentoo.org> From: Matt Turner Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 16:37:08 -0800 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists To: Gentoo project list Cc: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: bf48236c-23f2-4ac5-b75b-3771c623d462 X-Archives-Hash: 7dcaeadab4101bd80125f790160fafe9 A user requested I forward this information to the mailing list: There's been research, on this, and the study by harvard business school was summarized and discussed by NPR in 2015: [ Turns out toxic coworkers are more than just an annoyance. A new study out of the Harvard Business School warns that bullying workers are more costly, even if they are more productive. ] -- NPR description https://www.npr.org/2015/12/16/460024322/harvard-business-school-study-highlights-costs-of-toxic-workers https://goo.gl/g8Ujuk (short URL of the same) With gentoo being a non-profit organization, an alternative way to view it could be the trade-off of seeing developers / maintainers / staff leave, and any "lost profits" are in the form of community relations, image, and willingness for ongoing productive work by those who remain with the gentoo organization. Research paper itself (which includes supporting 57 citations) http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Publication%20Files/16-057_d45c0b4f-fa19-49de-8f1b-4b12fe054fea.pdf https://goo.gl/42A8v7 (short URL of the same) ... and was itself cited a dozen or times: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=5443947091657980238 https://goo.gl/obvdzh (short URL of the same)