From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-dev+bounces-85337-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E6FA138334 for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Fri, 20 Jul 2018 07:37:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B3AD6E0A6D; Fri, 20 Jul 2018 07:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37DE4E09E5 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 20 Jul 2018 07:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-it0-f52.google.com (mail-it0-f52.google.com [209.85.214.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mattst88) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 68C34335CA0 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 20 Jul 2018 07:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-it0-f52.google.com with SMTP id p17-v6so13410192itc.2 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 20 Jul 2018 00:37:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlG22qXo7nIy+OHjXhyvrYT0ZauxZx9A6yo92Q+Y1sKJYVfqoz/+ WXzzFk2QIzLfPpRVMS5VYg5Xly2n6vhJsgp8YRg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpfPFRITExDONekvRz1jooxmJDgcCwFhq88jQYaaO0k7ZuqAMaBHRmL944bE85mo8tt2L8pMVRg3lI4YQA4Ug3g= X-Received: by 2002:a02:cd2:: with SMTP id 79-v6mr802749jan.100.1532072257500; Fri, 20 Jul 2018 00:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:7126:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2018 00:37:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <f8b6dd89-e1b3-1323-e6f7-8aaec01c5113@gentoo.org> References: <f965bc43-e3c1-912a-3a2c-c657a0b73e1b@gentoo.org> <f8b6dd89-e1b3-1323-e6f7-8aaec01c5113@gentoo.org> From: Matt Turner <mattst88@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 00:37:17 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: <CAEdQ38FhJ8-c73k0kojLr2SGe1y0MaFv=4PVhWWfjZjrrDUqHg@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <CAEdQ38FhJ8-c73k0kojLr2SGe1y0MaFv=4PVhWWfjZjrrDUqHg@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding USE=udev to linux profiles To: gentoo development <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: cab2b910-c666-4cc0-9786-85bddc4a96aa X-Archives-Hash: 8f6ebcb0fcd4d7e35e983c9fc6ac1f20 On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Michael Orlitzky <mjo@gentoo.org> wrote: > On 07/19/2018 05:51 PM, Ben Kohler wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'd like to propose adding USE=udev to our linux profiles (in >> profiles/default/linux/make.defaults probably). This flag is already >> enabled on desktop profiles but it also affects quite a few packages >> used on non-desktop linux systems. >> >> ... >> >> Any objections to this idea? >> > > Please add defaults per-package, only where they make sense. Enabling > flags globally creates a huge headache for people that want them off. > > If I want to undo your new flag, I have to set USE="-udev" globally, and > that clobbers any important per-package defaults that maintainers have set. I understand the concern at least in theory. But can you please give me a concrete example of a package where you don't want USE=udev and another example of a package where you do? Grepping the tree, I see the following packages pulled in with USE=udev predominantly: virtual/libudev virtual/libgudev virtual/udev A few others have some additional dependencies enabled with USE=udev: app-emulation/libvirt: x11-libs/libpciaccess dev-qt/qtgui/qtgui: sys-kernel/linux-headers gnome-base/gnome-desktop: sys-apps/hwids media-gfx/iscan-data: dev-libs/libxslt, media-gfx/sane-backends sys-auth/consolekit: x11-libs/libdrm sys-fs/dosfstools: virtual/pkgconfig What dependency are you trying to avoid? Or is it just a design issue?