From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82D19158089 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 18:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5EEA62BC024; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 18:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (dev.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23AE12BC013 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 18:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw1-f178.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-59234aaca15so61522497b3.3 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 11:47:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzSrvALVG7C7ruiD+AhHfEnHeqj3Dh/K5UNF3DVUOAHWH5gy5xv Z9FEh5FWJuF6e8ZdPhXmjp64Gvmd3slRkmKSffM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEhO0b59CJszuC8dTBAqYa+sDtg2IYuzdfR2xQVJJxRD4zVqhCgd36qxiRJmwXaufHVhajRxNmQ3ZbYOH7kG3o= X-Received: by 2002:a25:e6c3:0:b0:d14:6e28:69a4 with SMTP id d186-20020a25e6c3000000b00d146e2869a4mr188183ybh.29.1694544439307; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 11:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7802203.lOV4Wx5bFT@kona> <20230911082243.65aa85f5@Akita> <4128737.ElGaqSPkdT@kona> <20230911084231.73dd619f@Akita> <5848191c-8708-edfe-0c69-eeced3907b0d@gmail.com> <87zg1szc23.fsf@gentoo.org> <5d96d41de2f7057b42b436783678c8c4.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <87zg1sxu88.fsf@gentoo.org> <6aca04641c105c3fc72910fdbb7b6c01.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <877cowxs1c.fsf@gentoo.org> <87ledbwk5g.fsf@gentoo.org> <96051ecf5f26b24bd199147535b2e6b8.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> In-Reply-To: <96051ecf5f26b24bd199147535b2e6b8.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> From: Matt Turner Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:47:07 -0400 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 85f08ad4-8595-4a4a-9ec7-163a004e01a2 X-Archives-Hash: fa52a7e459c259b8e4533adba32f0a2e On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 11:04=E2=80=AFAM Eddie Chapman wro= te: > Yes I regularly do this if there is a piece of software not in the tree, = I > have a local repo full of stuff. But this argument doesn't hold as much > weight when it comes to a package like this which is integrated in the > core of the system. People who really want to continue using it are going > to experience a lot of pain trying to maintain it for themselves out of > tree, much more so than they would normally. That's one reason why I thin= k > the decision deserves more scrutiny. Yes, people who insist on using a piece of software that's basically stagnant are going to have trouble trying to maintain it themselves. You're right. You're just missing that this is because of upstream eudev not backporting anything anymore. Take a look at https://openhub.net/p/eudev 12 month summary * 22 Commits - Down -97 (81%) from previous 12 months * 5 Contributors - Down -5 (50%) from previous 12 months There used to be backports from upstream udev like this: https://github.com/eudev-project/eudev/commit/9d4010a3629ebc1d915b7f2d3e2d7= be83d79b4f4 But it seems that no one does that anymore since blueness stopped. blueness -- one of the original maintainers of eudev and the author of the news item that says the reason for eudev's existence no longer applies... So tl;dr: we're sorry eudev is no longer viable. We kept it in ::gentoo for far longer than it should have been.