From: Matt Turner <mattst88@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:51:34 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEdQ38EiKyjR46XeYbW_G+jx4Ei_+TvcVXA=-q3kDY17HkySSQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230912083517.65561251@Akita>
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 11:35 AM orbea <orbea@riseup.net> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:17:00 +0100
> Sam James <sam@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> > Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> writes:
> >
> > > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman <eddie@ehuk.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said
> > >> (anywhere) that they are not interested in being maintainers
> > >> anymore (which is fine if that is the case)? We're not talking
> > >> here about a lone maintainer of some peripheral package that's
> > >> disappeared leaving an orphaned package.
> > >
> > > It isn't like somebody is censoring the lists or waging commit wars
> > > on the metadata.xml/mask file. If somebody was eager to maintain
> > > it I'm sure they'd have spoken up.
> > >
> > >> I'm an outsider to Gentoo development (just a heavy user for over
> > >> a decade both personally and professionally) so I might have
> > >> missed something. I just find it puzzling.
> > >
> > > I'm not puzzled by what is going on, or by your email, because it
> > > happens basically anytime a high-profile package is treecleaned.
> > > Yes, Gentoo is about choice, but somebody has to actually do work
> > > to make the choices viable. There are always more people
> > > interested in using software than maintaining it. The frustration
> > > is completely understandable, but also kinda unavoidable.
> > >
> > > Repo QA standards don't mean that it has to barely work for your
> > > specific use case. The package has to deal with compatibility
> > > issues with stuff you don't use as well, which is why maintaining a
> > > system package can be hard work. It is usually less of an issue
> > > for more ordinary applications, which tend to have fewer
> > > interactions. If it is "good enough" for you as it is, then just
> > > move it to a private overlay and keep using it. You probably would
> > > need to override a virtual or two as well. Or publish your work
> > > somewhere others can use it.
> >
> > Yes. We value having a coherent system with decent UX and we have
> > to choose what we can support. Users are free to override those
> > choices in local repositories - and if they want advice on the best
> > way to do so, they're free to ask.
> >
>
> As evidenced by the ::libressl overlay where I am repeatedly
> copy/pasting changes from ::gentoo that have nothing to do with
> libressl this is not a very good solution. This is a huge amount of
> redundant and pointless effort that would be better suited being
> directly in the ::gentoo repo.
I think most people aren't going to be swayed by "it's really
inefficient for me to do $xyz outside of ::gentoo" where xyz is
something that they find useless.
> What would be required so this is not required for eudev too? At the
> risk of repeating myself its working on my systems and I am willing to
> look at bugs and put in effort into keeping it functional.
>
> I don't think this is a matter of not having people willing to put
> effort in, but that no one wants to let them have the chance.
Conspiracy alert!
It's been more than 2 years since
https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2021-08-24-eudev-retirement.html
People have had plenty of time. More chances than were fair have been
given. Nothing has changed, except eudev has further diverged from
upstream udev.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-12 18:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-11 15:14 [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev Andreas K. Huettel
2023-09-11 15:22 ` orbea
2023-09-11 15:29 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2023-09-11 15:42 ` orbea
2023-09-11 17:25 ` martin-kokos
2023-09-11 17:45 ` orbea
2023-09-11 19:20 ` Dale
2023-09-11 20:31 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 21:14 ` orbea
2023-09-11 21:21 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 21:29 ` Alexey Sokolov
2023-09-11 21:35 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 21:43 ` Alexey Sokolov
2023-09-11 21:51 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-11 21:59 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 21:32 ` orbea
2023-09-11 21:50 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 22:10 ` orbea
2023-09-11 22:17 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 2:34 ` orbea
2023-09-12 9:18 ` Rich Freeman
2023-09-12 11:00 ` Alarig Le Lay
2023-09-14 0:20 ` [gentoo-dev] " Madhu
2023-09-14 0:47 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 14:25 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-14 14:57 ` Mike Gilbert
2023-09-14 18:15 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-11 21:27 ` [gentoo-dev] " Eddie Chapman
2023-09-11 21:41 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 22:22 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-11 22:27 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 13:36 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 13:57 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 14:12 ` Rich Freeman
2023-09-12 14:17 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 15:04 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 18:47 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 15:35 ` orbea
2023-09-12 17:23 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-12 17:36 ` orbea
2023-09-12 19:06 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 19:32 ` orbea
2023-09-12 18:53 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 18:58 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-12 23:45 ` karl
2023-09-12 18:51 ` Matt Turner [this message]
2023-09-12 19:05 ` orbea
2023-09-12 19:56 ` Eli Schwartz
2023-09-12 20:59 ` Dale
2023-09-12 20:37 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 14:55 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 15:00 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 19:21 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2023-09-12 19:47 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 20:33 ` Andrew Ammerlaan
2023-09-12 21:23 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 21:36 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 21:45 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-12 21:52 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-13 4:35 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 4:56 ` Eli Schwartz
2023-09-13 5:03 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 5:38 ` Eli Schwartz
2023-09-13 6:13 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 6:19 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 6:40 ` Dale
2023-09-13 6:54 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 7:23 ` Dale
2023-09-12 22:35 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-13 7:55 ` Andrew Ammerlaan
2023-09-13 8:10 ` Dale
2023-09-16 6:01 ` Oskari Pirhonen
2023-09-16 6:09 ` Sam James
2023-09-16 7:15 ` Dale
2023-09-13 8:13 ` Arve Barsnes
2023-09-13 23:49 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 14:16 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 14:44 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 15:30 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 16:09 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 16:50 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 17:18 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 18:39 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-14 19:11 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 17:27 ` Rich Freeman
2023-09-14 17:39 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 17:52 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 17:57 ` Rich Freeman
2023-09-14 23:19 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-15 15:10 ` orbea
2023-09-15 18:38 ` Alexey Sokolov
2023-09-15 18:56 ` orbea
2023-09-15 22:25 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-15 22:40 ` orbea
2023-09-16 1:12 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-16 9:35 ` David Seifert
2023-09-16 13:32 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-16 22:03 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-17 9:00 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-17 10:16 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-17 17:56 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-17 18:38 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-14 17:20 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 17:28 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 17:51 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 17:19 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-14 17:24 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-13 2:55 ` Eli Schwartz
2023-09-13 9:05 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-13 9:34 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 9:43 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-13 21:57 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-12 14:31 ` martin-kokos
2023-09-12 15:00 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 15:20 ` Sam James
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-09-13 1:23 Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-13 1:48 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2021-11-27 0:23 [gentoo-dev] Last " Mike Gilbert
2022-08-30 9:52 ` Jaco Kroon
2022-08-30 10:27 ` Arve Barsnes
2022-08-30 12:26 ` Jaco Kroon
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