From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 757E1158089 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 21:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BDDD72BC0F4; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 21:52:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E5292BC014 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 21:52:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yb1-f173.google.com with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-d80089712e5so410316276.1 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:52:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Ywv1kUp8AmH7nA8zGnL5fygXVIZhHzSMnDuCInuwRwevwqCODyj 4Cscv3ARuJSVVgD0F4sjOrFUsKgJDFq/r9+C0EU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEZayReS2XFcB1pSyK4nElIyUhY2xLjoYliYg9KKR+Tu80nzTvL+D+UsqUfc7t6IgS8JD2Zmh9PF0MUuGnU1g8= X-Received: by 2002:a25:cec7:0:b0:d80:4896:75d0 with SMTP id x190-20020a25cec7000000b00d80489675d0mr1118502ybe.22.1694555535469; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7802203.lOV4Wx5bFT@kona> <92dfbb91650e4fe9c82268ccddf8b0ab.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <4270953.Sgy9Pd6rRy@pinacolada> <25616924cf66471fbd1075753551dffa.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <7B549F95-5EEA-4DD3-A046-AA6F2C7B6349@gentoo.org> <5aa46e8fd2c09e8d54c6a9ec71725529.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> In-Reply-To: From: Matt Turner Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 17:52:04 -0400 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: c090f26d-b8be-4d3d-8157-6883bf31c229 X-Archives-Hash: d4c0f3b02aab4aa71d97754a698230c6 On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45=E2=80=AFPM Alexe Stefan wrote: > > On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23=E2=80=AFPM Eddie Chapman = wrote: > >> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means tha= t > >> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to a= nd > >> it will inconvenience everyone? > > > > Because it's already happened! > > > > commit 6404b064d63d182da4a8a193533a188cdf832d41 > > Author: Mike Gilbert > > Date: Sun Jul 30 14:07:47 2023 -0400 > > > > virtual/libudev: add eudev and sticky-tags USE flags > > > > eudev lacks API support for the new libudev functions that > > differentiate > > between sticky and current tags on device events. > > > > Add a USE flag so we can depend on the new API from libgudev. > > > > > > commit 319b4ed88674af738bd3fd90e56dc06c88de15db > > Author: Mike Gilbert > > Date: Sun Jul 30 14:10:44 2023 -0400 > > > > dev-libs/libgudev: depend on virtual/libudev[sticky-tags] > > > > > > And as a result we have had at least three bug reports from users > > complaining that they cannot update: > > > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/913702 > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/913900 > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/913954 > > > >> What if someone came along now and said > >> they were willing to "step up" and maintain eudev and they were suitab= ly > >> qualified? Is that really going to force everyone else to modify their > >> ways? > > > > It doesn't matter what people say. It matters what they do. And so far > > no one has done anything in more than two years to make eudev worth > > keeping. > > > > But the core of the issue for me is -- how is eudev even the slightest > > bit better in any way than systemd-utils[udev]? > > > > > > Is it such a burden to make a couple of commits once in a while? I see no commits from your email address in gentoo.git, so that might be a question for you. > How many commits were made in the last year to accommodate eudev? I'm not your monkey. > Regarding the bugs, what else did you expect when no news item was given? Right, we should have done something *else* to keep eudev going. Welcome to my killfile.