From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F5A2158089 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 18:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6DB7A2BC05D; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 18:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw1-x112e.google.com (mail-yw1-x112e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::112e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 471862BC025 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 18:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw1-x112e.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-59bbed7353aso18794197b3.0 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 11:39:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1694716770; x=1695321570; darn=lists.gentoo.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=6FNw1SaB88PKSO1r3/ldKP2Jowv5cYYViZ7BWwM1gWc=; b=OmojNGOGT8cOtc4zFjBAdmODli+gjaXPEjIF/LD+RBuL4tghhXia+1m7mnD7emjUGx LGhbMnh/zMO+RYzy/9FGFpJ+wINLrieeAXOcz8NRikYXs7rezcLXqLM5cYEwXGyyvMSY iL2Uh47ZYPm4CxTV1xlkuMy/1cRhdhBjNsK96FCvTFoF8Awnj6/bL6HzzQatCfvpaogB 6nQX3hrYIQ2+Rby57Qu5thQ/sWD1tKdaavRkN5P0hX15du5strb6d2DCOYx0jcfYQysX e/fBklhQPiWRJ8cOAbyFv/zUpKTIqf1oChK5fA6J5LvQ73TBlwrs/LY0dktn/SWUVwnL fr9g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1694716770; x=1695321570; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=6FNw1SaB88PKSO1r3/ldKP2Jowv5cYYViZ7BWwM1gWc=; b=Y9aD8ovg+nq90zaDCDAfo8w/JLaB5rFR7n8cT6E5skE2BfKo6j0Om3gn51JO46bzU9 Vyq4+/tqgT2yZlabNZrlMtKY9Go4oN5WjV68FA2j2juF5A+B4LTGm5lIYQu1ZUFYIl8v e038CUjdtpyjF1lJ/XlQ/Azp7rw0+qgQ4whVffdkMrMadBpl79XFt8aE3WjVGqmohRCv 14RYolrLsAfP08ljJgv16QGsyjZsaIo39xFzOfSpTLKNgUDkfWUO1SiRIAt3dsqQFfyZ sBnCALR1Oe8/+89wB/56ykM3puBNVXf1Tk/FOuSS3NO3i+006qmc88SNBoaLwqpfe/D5 8otA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwHddJzINPdjBKVsz2/GtMgb9LWYMXs2e7rHWVTwFvsI8td4SJP 2sglEN2RHl7d707/z2XiUdFwtCTmcdOUzW7wIn3NAthiU6c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFCGuY5i4hNLxAYL7DMGZ8JrJvItPkpMIH8gEYjRfAJzIUBYF9FZrH0CAghPRVOzz5NN0BQG6XuAz7EwtIndV8= X-Received: by 2002:a81:498d:0:b0:583:9db5:7e89 with SMTP id w135-20020a81498d000000b005839db57e89mr2335109ywa.24.1694716770369; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 11:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:7108:1691:b0:310:c967:a2fb with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 11:39:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7802203.lOV4Wx5bFT@kona> <92dfbb91650e4fe9c82268ccddf8b0ab.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <4270953.Sgy9Pd6rRy@pinacolada> <25616924cf66471fbd1075753551dffa.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <7B549F95-5EEA-4DD3-A046-AA6F2C7B6349@gentoo.org> <5aa46e8fd2c09e8d54c6a9ec71725529.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <6e35ba9b-a55b-4b36-9d79-96faa5fb1dc6@gentoo.org> <0daf33d92cd33094b88c0411a16a63ac.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <50d2d8a5796c8f71b58747d3f23593dd.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> From: Alexe Stefan Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 21:39:29 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 6b1eaf03-9161-4479-9160-97657f0aa330 X-Archives-Hash: efc386e2965caf4973e19dd7eb4f813b On 9/14/23, Alex Boag-Munroe wrote: > On Thu, 14 Sept 2023 at 17:50, Eddie Chapman wrote: >> > > > No one is telling anyone not to use it. The question has been asked "why use > it" > to ascertain reasons for keeping it in ::gentoo. Something not being in > ::gentoo isn't a decree to not use it, it's a statement that it's a > pain to keep maintained > in portage for an entire user base. > > If it was simply ordering/bullying people into not using it, the > advice to form a repo or > talk to guru or simply keep it in your own overlay wouldn't have been > given. > > There's a huge difference between "suitable for a niche use case" and > "suitable > for the entire Gentoo user base should they wish to make use of it". The > latter > is where eudev had deteriorated for some time, again this current libgudev > issue > being the latest example rather than the only one. > > -- > Ninpo > > Gentoo is about choice, and we should keep it that way. If we start removing packages like this, gentoo will become source-based arch. What is the problem here? It's not like someone who doesn't know what they are doing can install eudev by mistake. One has to explicitly chose to use eudev. So what is the problem with keeping the package in ::gentoo. Mask it if you must, like opentmpfiles, but don't remove it.