From: Alexe Stefan <stefanalexe48@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:23:49 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAENw6g5USsyJfxmtmHwLrZVxTuZ0Rp=d15tBZhpCmV3W5DgXuw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230912083517.65561251@Akita>
All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this shitshow.
Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be without a
maintainer, regardless of how "popular" they are among gentoo folks.
All this seems like intentional crippling of systemd alternatives. I
don't use eudev, but I don't like seeing choice being taken away for
such paper-thin reasons.
The "reasons" listed for the removal are "dead upstream", which is
false, and open "bugs", most of which are at most differences in the
default behavior.
I use a static /dev. That won't just stop working after an update,
regardless of how much money changes hands.
What does eudev need to do and doesn't do? From discussion in various
places, I understand that it must set permissions for a devtmpfs and
maybe create some symlinks. Does it not do that?
I know that Lennart wants to do everything and do it poorly, but eudev
doesn't have to do that too. What's the point of a for then?
Overlays were mentioned in this thread. If we remove everything from
::gentoo in favor of overlays, what is the point of ::gentoo then? Do
devs receive prizes based on how many useful packages they remove?
Don't answer that, we all already know the answer.
There is this quote from "the doctor" on the forums that sums up all
the insanity:
>As for software depending on what /dev you use, maybe he hasn't been paying >attention but there is no sane reason any userspace application should care how >the entries in /dev are made. There is also no sane reason to break your API >every few months when the good idea fairy comes to call.
As for this:
>Alexe Stefan <stefanalexe48@gmail.com> writes:
>> Must eudev be 100% compatible with all the garbage that gets shoved
>> into udev to stay in ::gentoo? I don't see mdev being held to that
>> standard.
>Please don't top-post.
>mdev is not a provider of virtual/libudev and doesn't pretend to be
>via its pkgconfig file.
What if eudev has to pretend, not because of build or runtime
failures, but because of needless pesky pkgconfig checks? Should the
default eudev setup include virtual/libudev in package.provided? I
think it's better the way it is.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-12 17:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-11 15:14 [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev Andreas K. Huettel
2023-09-11 15:22 ` orbea
2023-09-11 15:29 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2023-09-11 15:42 ` orbea
2023-09-11 17:25 ` martin-kokos
2023-09-11 17:45 ` orbea
2023-09-11 19:20 ` Dale
2023-09-11 20:31 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 21:14 ` orbea
2023-09-11 21:21 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 21:29 ` Alexey Sokolov
2023-09-11 21:35 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 21:43 ` Alexey Sokolov
2023-09-11 21:51 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-11 21:59 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 21:32 ` orbea
2023-09-11 21:50 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 22:10 ` orbea
2023-09-11 22:17 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 2:34 ` orbea
2023-09-12 9:18 ` Rich Freeman
2023-09-12 11:00 ` Alarig Le Lay
2023-09-14 0:20 ` [gentoo-dev] " Madhu
2023-09-14 0:47 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 14:25 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-14 14:57 ` Mike Gilbert
2023-09-14 18:15 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-11 21:27 ` [gentoo-dev] " Eddie Chapman
2023-09-11 21:41 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 22:22 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-11 22:27 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 13:36 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 13:57 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 14:12 ` Rich Freeman
2023-09-12 14:17 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 15:04 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 18:47 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 15:35 ` orbea
2023-09-12 17:23 ` Alexe Stefan [this message]
2023-09-12 17:36 ` orbea
2023-09-12 19:06 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 19:32 ` orbea
2023-09-12 18:53 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 18:58 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-12 23:45 ` karl
2023-09-12 18:51 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 19:05 ` orbea
2023-09-12 19:56 ` Eli Schwartz
2023-09-12 20:59 ` Dale
2023-09-12 20:37 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 14:55 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 15:00 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 19:21 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2023-09-12 19:47 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 20:33 ` Andrew Ammerlaan
2023-09-12 21:23 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 21:36 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 21:45 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-12 21:52 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-13 4:35 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 4:56 ` Eli Schwartz
2023-09-13 5:03 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 5:38 ` Eli Schwartz
2023-09-13 6:13 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 6:19 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 6:40 ` Dale
2023-09-13 6:54 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 7:23 ` Dale
2023-09-12 22:35 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-13 7:55 ` Andrew Ammerlaan
2023-09-13 8:10 ` Dale
2023-09-16 6:01 ` Oskari Pirhonen
2023-09-16 6:09 ` Sam James
2023-09-16 7:15 ` Dale
2023-09-13 8:13 ` Arve Barsnes
2023-09-13 23:49 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 14:16 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 14:44 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 15:30 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 16:09 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 16:50 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 17:18 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 18:39 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-14 19:11 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 17:27 ` Rich Freeman
2023-09-14 17:39 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 17:52 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 17:57 ` Rich Freeman
2023-09-14 23:19 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-15 15:10 ` orbea
2023-09-15 18:38 ` Alexey Sokolov
2023-09-15 18:56 ` orbea
2023-09-15 22:25 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-15 22:40 ` orbea
2023-09-16 1:12 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-16 9:35 ` David Seifert
2023-09-16 13:32 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-16 22:03 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-17 9:00 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-17 10:16 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-17 17:56 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-17 18:38 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-14 17:20 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 17:28 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 17:51 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 17:19 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-14 17:24 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-13 2:55 ` Eli Schwartz
2023-09-13 9:05 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-13 9:34 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 9:43 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-13 21:57 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-12 14:31 ` martin-kokos
2023-09-12 15:00 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 15:20 ` Sam James
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-09-13 1:23 Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-13 1:48 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2021-11-27 0:23 [gentoo-dev] Last " Mike Gilbert
2022-08-30 9:52 ` Jaco Kroon
2022-08-30 10:27 ` Arve Barsnes
2022-08-30 12:26 ` Jaco Kroon
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