From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF9B5158089 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 06:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FC152BC0AC; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 06:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk1-x72a.google.com (mail-qk1-x72a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A7EA2BC014 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 06:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk1-x72a.google.com with SMTP id af79cd13be357-76ef27a8e4dso416396985a.1 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:54:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1694588052; x=1695192852; darn=lists.gentoo.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=js1VbCLLiWjvVzCYC2wQmzKgE4oWV1bmmaYI1DpDr9s=; b=EBj2UoHNYFjYOiFwzXSDgUKFhaN4qUy9skXX4rEOw8M+luOIVJWVd0fqOcOEWc+qRK 2FqgWvTiNClCHMyw7gn+JzvTOQ2IQWLDEEJM3mDQ5D4S9ZAFXLB4fbEd686czLUunUyZ 59edyxApiuOS/u2amXYV6LIU5dfOURwjo6KUzFvAgnsL/ZPSkfx1ceHh1TSONHZQK8rE M9/RWrQmahQ8WQtXg5alOgnja9HpeUPGSQE3G2TM75TcllB8Ajh3BCY3W7P+ZZjV9n1j qZStT3hWqr9Z5/Qwzxstya45UXFEIYpW919sRBegpVt3PPf1oFD0htPonG2Go530Kk+C j6rg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1694588052; x=1695192852; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=js1VbCLLiWjvVzCYC2wQmzKgE4oWV1bmmaYI1DpDr9s=; b=TchABfnrTfHSRUqvAVV0v6MW6uJodt/K2u+If18L0QXGuYNEnPgwAKLbZGNgjVxA1n dekN9u+sxplZ6a29SYQJEjj4RZKW6K9M8C/5afV8aCPzxOybTLEr6tWnUK+tsknYxRnS wWdWSkOlK0I3iGXkgfpG/IDqhwsFDC7Xv7jKSV7aKmKvWrRF3AnUCMl+oPSsgsxpi2vN +JmX666u9sqJ1A0f+jSUb2cY78M+jLFzvGopqregPxCp/e+FGXsMjnxd8orrhF+Q3Iat U8wqYJOburPOLxCmRvNC7o6ryuA3/GnSQy2u+BYxfzCrcbk9Uu9K7I9473yT/dyHe/+n U22A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxvNQ7dFaZFEBLXIO0Juqo/PQ2Lq3pXqdVcQLQLwWBifGOqINnB becolFVuTH3xf0vJJ1mZYGdldKedZ5v5opKLzSixVQXp7+c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEbI55Om9w/lbOLYwxQWjBE1zzIh/+MNxGvmtSD2iiocgbJMgUQyDM0nJPBBTOuNhTm36Kds63aeenzsVpcjww= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:e405:0:b0:64f:4589:9918 with SMTP id o5-20020a0ce405000000b0064f45899918mr1799895qvl.33.1694588052347; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a0c:de0e:0:b0:64c:95e3:9ef9 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:54:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9b6b698c-a168-316f-8b23-63a34c91db30@gmail.com> References: <7802203.lOV4Wx5bFT@kona> <92dfbb91650e4fe9c82268ccddf8b0ab.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <4270953.Sgy9Pd6rRy@pinacolada> <25616924cf66471fbd1075753551dffa.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <7B549F95-5EEA-4DD3-A046-AA6F2C7B6349@gentoo.org> <5aa46e8fd2c09e8d54c6a9ec71725529.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <5f5e1b74-5c33-7200-7b8b-6cb72f209010@gmail.com> <9b6b698c-a168-316f-8b23-63a34c91db30@gmail.com> From: Alexe Stefan Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 09:54:11 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: ca6e15e9-c3a2-4b43-9da5-90761ba958bf X-Archives-Hash: f2d7aa0af963a41ee0dff00114f82b61 On 9/13/23, Dale wrote: > Alexe Stefan wrote: >> >> While my posts may be a little bit inflammatory, no one pointed out >> where I'm wrong. >> I don't hate gentoo, but I don't want choice to be taken away from users. >> If we(the users) only respond to issues that individually impact us, >> choice will be taken away from everyone eventually(unless it's the >> "right" choice as agreed by Lennart & co). It is called "divide and >> conquer". >> I do not hate gentoo. I want to see it offer as much choice as >> possible, not restrict it. >> I had to bear with systemd for some time before going to gentoo. I >> don't want that to happen again. >> >> > > I'm a eudev user. I don't like systemd either. I'm actually having to > deal with it for the first time after installing Ubuntu for a NAS box on > a under powered rig with not a lot of memory. I can honestly say, I > don't like systemd from experience. I'm one who will likely have to > switch to udev even tho I don't care too. While I'm not excited about > it, given the lack of coders wanting to keep it alive, I'll just have to > switch. I may be losing a choice but hey, at least I had one that other > distros never had. Some distros switched with no alternative long ago. > > If I, someone who hates change, can change, I'm not sure why you can't > accept that eudev just may have reached its end of life on Gentoo. I > missed the news item a year or so ago. I had no idea it was not being > maintained on Gentoo. This sort of hit me all at once, most likely the > same as you. Unless someone steps up in the next week or so, I'll be > switching. At the least, I'm grateful to have OpenRC. Don't get me > started on trying to figure out how to restart a service on Ubuntu. As > bad as all the compiling is, Gentoo is a walk in the park. Restart a > service, /etc/init.d/ are close>. Try that in Ubuntu. Forget a hair cut this month. I'm > doing good to have hair. :@ Let's see what happens and if eudev dies, > let's accept it and be grateful for the time we did have a choice, while > some kinks got worked out of systemd udev at least. > > To the other devs reading this thread still. Thanks much from a 20 year > user of Gentoo. It was bumpy at first but it sure has come a > LOOOOOOOONG ways. I can't say enough about how much emerge has improved > and how dependencies are resolved with ease for us users. The work on > the emerge command and ebuilds has improved a LOT. I still wish the > error output was more friendly but hey, at least there is a whole lot > less of it. :-D > > Let's deal with what is in front of us. Thanks again to the devs. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > > I'm going back to my hole now. > > I do deal with what is in front of us. Today it's eudev. Tomorrow will be opentmpfiles or openrc.