From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA38E158089 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 728682BC0D6; Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:00:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qv1-xf34.google.com (mail-qv1-xf34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f34]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 459702BC016 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:00:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qv1-xf34.google.com with SMTP id 6a1803df08f44-65636f2d3e0so11706426d6.2 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2023 02:00:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1694941256; x=1695546056; darn=lists.gentoo.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=AeOTVh1JJmMPjzyB8KI/9PeR5yaNAJ5KHNqBoZ8nFBE=; b=A6E3kN3nsjI+/m6b8os8Ubtqu3qvw5nmhTlmzLz/PvKnaNLeDHkZai+66MCMjNxy95 HuI9B1k5roOjL4o/x4BO9PuPmqwpHCpj/k+OQKWmpgb0qwH33z7UJve3kwXElvRrmX5Y m+GbiI7RsN5BTG48aOmm98V24rK/8suhdJtBOC/i2lBE4HGO4CCaWEo3SpEnPwT4r+br h3uBHvGkAtSfBhffgBmkHirfF+0fod/Hq7TYIP56DkOUCXtftzslD6P8S9y7owp3AZ5L WwZJUuiAuiqNzbx0l70AxGtYktlen7cV2rd5Tx5+2fj7JGPXhr/TY8NLixMrvTOEmFnZ ZoAg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1694941256; x=1695546056; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=AeOTVh1JJmMPjzyB8KI/9PeR5yaNAJ5KHNqBoZ8nFBE=; b=JsUh0aAkchuBeJ/OonU8P3hX8qoRFLG5oO8DIQyRPqsK72YG+16B1CNZ11E1krQyt7 8MFVcR6Fn/fgodI3wPZS1+AqtNxSASxbb2KukLVQkI/cqah4DNkHP0RwZZe+ASyZAnCn r/ZQt2gfHguulXbCJ8XegeT0+4q2zKqsac3tfcyTMMdY2HUFRmvsIWCxl0cWTx3R54Ma bhevPpIltw7XDnTFa+oDBxZLCHiYtg8sBF0TFw86PJSWVsv9CacrUdASQ5urdIbDOGVK 8R9eSE5omRV9VWcWbcnFTqpsidmpEjpBLhwaWZ/YkXoOH+CTbGbA/9pP4GngZN3LCdWL fWaA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxXRwwTk3QhcW2GikU+f+Is3MDiG6WTgt84XXAEH1snGxKD8uW1 lSDvdRgRuKePR862PtnJWfyLli5bGzrCkuGzkiDAjWGs X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFNfzNjPKdJnaGPUrFv/TqPu8hMeN7Y4l5EjiPejfci4GFrazBB9Slhv/wh7rJoJybZStLDYGb61+p4cgmfdnY= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:db94:0:b0:656:3bc3:4513 with SMTP id m20-20020a0cdb94000000b006563bc34513mr5156057qvk.33.1694941256626; Sun, 17 Sep 2023 02:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a0c:de0e:0:b0:64c:95e3:9ef9 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Sep 2023 02:00:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86sf7diwxl.fsf@gentoo.org> References: <7802203.lOV4Wx5bFT@kona> <92dfbb91650e4fe9c82268ccddf8b0ab.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <4270953.Sgy9Pd6rRy@pinacolada> <25616924cf66471fbd1075753551dffa.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <7B549F95-5EEA-4DD3-A046-AA6F2C7B6349@gentoo.org> <5aa46e8fd2c09e8d54c6a9ec71725529.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <6e35ba9b-a55b-4b36-9d79-96faa5fb1dc6@gentoo.org> <0daf33d92cd33094b88c0411a16a63ac.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <50d2d8a5796c8f71b58747d3f23593dd.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <86ttrws520.fsf@gentoo.org> <20230915154041.45777bf8@Akita> <86sf7diwxl.fsf@gentoo.org> From: Alexe Stefan Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 12:00:56 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 8d81d9d7-65e0-4be2-b911-c2197f8a4ad0 X-Archives-Hash: d8f96d6fb54be36f49749f2cdb18c951 On 9/17/23, Arsen Arsenovi=C4=87 wrote: > > Alexe Stefan writes: > >> Yet another example of choice being restricted by gentoo. >> However, there at least is a better reason for not keeping libressl in >> ::Gentoo, that reason being qt. > > ... and the swathes of other packages that are not compatible with it... > especially since openssl:3 exists. Please face reality. > >> With eudev, there is even less reason to remove it from ::gentoo. >> The only maintenance burden with eudev is a couple of commits here and >> there, mostly in virtuals. > > There's at least two reasons to remove it (it's unmaintained, out of > date, and incompatible), and at most zero to keep it. > > Fix upstream and the reasons for removal will be gone, and the (illusion > of) choice will be there again. Note that I refuse to accept the idea > that this is choice. The code is the same. > > Have a lovely night. > -- > Arsen Arsenovi=C4=87 > Upstream, it's maintained. Downstream, 2 people volunteered. So it is maintained. The incompatibilities are for some desktop specific situations, and there is a pr upstream(hacky, but work in progress). For servers, or minimal desktops(which is what I expect gentoo is mostly used for), eudev is fine.