From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RiAM9-0002WN-VH for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:49:10 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD50921C1E2; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f181.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B3F21C04C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbup6 with SMTP id up6so15215631obb.40 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 11:48:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rYDRjI/6mLrHBeP9GSfzYifZ35RGQVJ9FxesONm9gjc=; b=Lzdw4sSuNpL7cuKSARo9+LWGQPF/kXLR6rJ2aA0OmKYDeB7sKAGFzTC4KUUTrdGR0M 5oBRhNiI7f0cltoxw6dlayXTEvEAop9iNmOyWskjQUjs8Zf2Lxxybb3aTvg79gL+rsAh gQQlgiEiKDw5xTQ7+CRfP4WbdFHEKtLbU6IDI= Received: by 10.182.197.104 with SMTP id it8mr45966214obc.17.1325620081474; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 11:48:01 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: nirbheek.chauhan@gmail.com Received: by 10.182.134.9 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:47:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20120101015947.GA9914@linux1> <1325401942.12935.11.camel@TesterTop4> <4F000C32.6020602@gentoo.org> <1325449284.12935.21.camel@TesterTop4> <20120101202355.30098545@googlemail.com> <1325454648.12935.24.camel@TesterTop4> <4F016DBE.2000209@gentoo.org> <1325616625.7238.23.camel@TesterBox.tester.ca> <20120103190255.GA13817@linux1> <1325618379.20627.6.camel@TesterBox.tester.ca> From: Nirbheek Chauhan Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 01:17:39 +0530 X-Google-Sender-Auth: mlGGB6DsJLuA346dbn7KcNXPXkQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: bff695fc-1a76-433b-8bfe-34ab56011dee X-Archives-Hash: 080cd39c70386b2d6ef9d89c383e1aab On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > part of). =C2=A0For example, if eventually you can't run gnome without > systemd where does that leave bsd gentoo users? Is Mesa support on BSD really all that up-to-date these days? I don't expect that they keep up with bugfixes that well. For instance, Radeon works best with KMS + Gallium and afaik that has no driver for BSD at all. I don't think GNOME Shell is stable on BSD at all. >=C2=A0Gentoo is about > choice, and various upstream efforts are moving in the direction of > giving users only one choice - take it or leave it. If you're arguing purely on the basis of BSD, I think it's a lost cause. They're so far behind Linux that it's not even funny anymore. >=C2=A0How do you > install KDE and Gnome on the same system when they eventually want > different sysvinit implementations. I doubt that's going to happen, though. No DE other than GNOME is interested in vertical integration. Even if someone is, it's a technical problem to be solved with a technical solution. "Every problem in computer science can be solved by adding another layer of indirection". >=C2=A0Will the RedHat and Ubuntu of the > future have no more in common than Tivo and Android do today? > Setting aside the silly parts of comparison you've made, the rest is already true from the user's PoV. The two have drastically different UIs, and their packages are incompatible (rpm vs deb, yum vs apt). If some applications are indeed common between the two, it's no surprise since most of those run on Windows too. --=20 ~Nirbheek Chauhan Gentoo GNOME+Mozilla Team