From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R5L9A-0008Vr-G0 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:27:16 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EFF2921C2FE; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:27:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f181.google.com (mail-gx0-f181.google.com [209.85.161.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCA321C2E5 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so5413371gxk.40 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:26:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=mLct2hw2AbSVZnlmM78cczCQUTAPXxKG16jcKWU7xWI=; b=fsnXjsGKCJ96jZWiOrlJJDETNM6RNIRWdvUgf5KXfVDzIvoJDM96In6qtGS4IIPB8x vcoUmy8OjOt7Ct80hgQ/EBvvFr4WA/5jiQCR5STktjUM820CKb6GAxhVLtzIocYl09QZ XPT3m6/RThQa+eFGcr1on6K8FPSgY06jSKIvs= Received: by 10.150.55.14 with SMTP id d14mr1435625yba.373.1316366796137; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: nirbheek.chauhan@gmail.com Received: by 10.151.79.13 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:26:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E75FFB6.3030600@gentoo.org> References: <1740055.XA9oyAS8HQ@eve> <4E7252A1.2000300@gentoo.org> <1336457.yNbGUQDlCr@eve> <4E7584E8.2080009@gentoo.org> <20110918144958.6dc836ce@pomiocik.lan> <4E75FFB6.3030600@gentoo.org> From: Nirbheek Chauhan Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 22:56:16 +0530 X-Google-Sender-Auth: lnfshSFFu5EQadDPaj-70jnIUQU Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: e1cd3864ffdf776533374ff96f5b2533 On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > On 18-09-2011 12:59, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >> I'm astonished by the large amount of misinformation that is being >> spread around about systemd. If this originated on the gentoo-user >> mailing list, I'm disappointed that Gentoo users wouldn't do some >> basic research. >> >> I kind of expect this kind of trigger-happy FUD from websites like >> omgubuntu, but surely Gentoo folk are more mature. > > You mean that no Linux users, in particular anyone not running or not > wanting to run GNOME and Fedora, shouldn't be worried about the way > some people in the GNOME and Fedora community seem intent to impose > their ways to everyone else? If their ways are better, there should be absolutely no problem. > Worse, in the process seeming to want to > convince everyone they found the panacea and that the "old unix ways" > that have been around for 40+ years are all obsolete and that we > should give in to "the collective"? > I don't see how this is relevant to the problem of udev and /usr at all. Unless you want to go back to the days of devfs and lots of manual configuration. :) My problem was with people blaming the need for an initramfs on systemd, which is not true at all. The discussion of the relative merits and demerits of systemd is an entirely different discussion. -- ~Nirbheek Chauhan Gentoo GNOME+Mozilla Team