From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RUHpI-0003vx-Li for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:57:52 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2992921C150; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:57:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f181.google.com (mail-gx0-f181.google.com [209.85.161.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70AE21C139 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnr1 with SMTP id r1so5494083ggn.40 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 04:56:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=iAozNEbZFNqLY3Wv2W8eWkyv8kGLWj4FwY6G6RLVBTY=; b=G0d5G+uYIkIvKuXs7UKTc3mUZS3AXof4eyIGjJs+E9KaH7P7ebkMgT3EmbcbgP+gfK ukyBAKJFE8fHGwLS1nz1qcT2k19gvxL32AbgLPXhEVurj5L/Fti5cbdwE6wEjDX8BTv5 Som3gGDEUWGWJiN8IMYmYG1WgQbKc8YiIJaEI= Received: by 10.182.174.106 with SMTP id br10mr10918516obc.40.1322312214083; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 04:56:54 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: nirbheek.chauhan@gmail.com Received: by 10.182.150.3 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 04:56:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Nirbheek Chauhan Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 18:26:33 +0530 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 61Lah14oqonum1tlbkNt2r1pJjQ Message-ID: Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Gentoo News file about GNOME 3.2's unmasking To: Rich Freeman Cc: Gentoo Dev , pr@gentoo.org, gnome Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 8485ae1b-1d99-467b-97b0-19031c632e30 X-Archives-Hash: 3e4d7817ccaa07d360e8d19634b6cb62 On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 2:13 AM, Nirbheek Chauhan w= rote: >> Since GNOME 3 is already in the >> tree, and the news file content is straightforward, I'd like to commit >> this in 24hrs if there are no problems. > > If we're gong to go to all the trouble to create upgrade guides and > news/etc, wouldn't it make sense to send out the news item a few days > BEFORE making the change? > That was indeed the intention, but there was a miscommunication. > If a user runs emerge -u world daily they wouldn't even see this news ite= m. > > Obviously the horses have already left the barn, but maybe this is > something we can do differently when it comes time to stabilize the > change? > All is not quite lost. An elog was added to the end of gnome-base/gnome-core-libs which would be merged very early on in the upgrade process. Of course this is not a substitute at all, but does alleviate the issue. A forums post was also made by tetromino. > I'm sure this was inadvertent, but looking beyond just this particular > incident is there anything we can do to improve our use of news items? > =C2=A0Since we're a distro that uses rolling releases users really have n= o > way to know what to expect after any particular emerge world. =C2=A0It > could be some completely routine bump that isn't going to cause > problems, or it could require extensive rebuilding, config-file > tweaking, and risk of the system not booting. =C2=A0News is really the on= ly > way to give them a heads-up in advance. =C2=A0Granted, something like a > gnome/kde bump is going to pull in so many packages that I think most > users would exercise caution, so that mitigates the issue a bit. > I think that the addition of a Display-If-Visible option would help, along with the addition of news file procedures to the devmanual and the quizzes. Even I didn't know where to commit the news file before some creative googling today gave me the right answer. --=20 ~Nirbheek Chauhan Gentoo GNOME+Mozilla Team