[gentoo-dev] Sparc Arch status

[gentoo-dev] Sparc Arch status

[Jack Morgan]

All,

I wanted to send out an update on the Sparc arch team status. My overall 
plan is to reduce the total number of keywords for sparcto a more 
manageable level. I'd like to continue to have sparc be a stable arch 
for gentoo for as long as it makes sense. I'm hoping to get some 
feedback from the community as to what should be supported and what can 
be reduced.


(1) Bugzilla
At the time of writing, here is the bug count for sparc. There is a good 
amount of keywording to do here and I'll start working on these in a week.

sparc: total (172), keywordreq (67), stablereq(85)


(2) Installation (Wiki/Releng)
The documentation is up to date and accurate. Thanks doc team! I 
recently did a fresh install so the current iso and stage3 work well. 
The stage3 need to be updated because they include perl-18 instead of 
perl-20. Otherwise, the install process is stable on my system.


(3) Infra
There is one developer machine[1] to use for keyword testing. Please 
request access from the contact in you would like a shell account.


(4) Profiles

(a) systemd support
I tried for several days to get systemd working on sparc. systemd just 
seg faulted on boot up. In fact, I had trouble getting udev to start. It 
just produced an error "ignoring: Invalid argument error initializing 
netlink socket" and didn't start. Since udev didn't start, i was not 
able to log in nor ssh (no network interface found). I made the switch 
to eudev and eudev started just fine. I'll file a couple of bugs in a 
week and go from there. I'll work with the systemd team to resolve these 
problems.

(b) gnome/kde desktop support
I'd like to propose dropping support for gnome/kde desktop if systemd 
isn't supported on sparc. I'm note sure it makes sense long term nor 
have developer resources to continue to keyword it. I have a couple of 
desktop systems so can test easily but running xfce4 atm. I'm open to 
others opinions.


(c) java support
The java team said they don't have cycles to support sparc. Support 
would have to come from the sparc team or the community. Unless someone 
steps up to help out with java, I'll propose to drop support on sparc. 
Thanks to the java team for helping us know what needs to be done to 
support java or not.


(5) anything else?
Is there anything I missed? Other sections of gentoo?



[1]https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Infrastructure/Developer_Machines


Thanks,

-- 
Jack Morgan
Pub 4096R/761D8E0A 2010-09-13 Jack Morgan <jmorgan@gentoo.org>
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Sparc Arch status

[James Le Cuirot]

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On Sun, 17 May 2015 08:36:00 -0700
Jack Morgan <jmorgan@gentoo.org> wrote:

> (c) java support
> The java team said they don't have cycles to support sparc. Support 
> would have to come from the sparc team or the community. Unless
> someone steps up to help out with java, I'll propose to drop support
> on sparc. Thanks to the java team for helping us know what needs to
> be done to support java or not.

Actually it wasn't really supported to begin with, at least not
recently. I just assumed it was because of the sparc keyword on
java-config and must have gotten mixed up with the sparc-solaris
keywords we have on several other packages. The sparc keyword has
already been dropped from java-config. The sparc-solaris keywords
can stay because those profiles are experimental anyway.

-- 
James Le Cuirot (chewi)
Gentoo Linux Developer

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Sparc Arch status

[Davide Pesavento]

On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Jack Morgan <jmorgan@gentoo.org> wrote:
> I wanted to send out an update on the Sparc arch team status. My overall
> plan is to reduce the total number of keywords for sparcto a more manageable
> level. I'd like to continue to have sparc be a stable arch for gentoo for as
> long as it makes sense. I'm hoping to get some feedback from the community
> as to what should be supported and what can be reduced.

Well basically what I said for ia64 (see my other email) applies to
sparc too. So definitely let us know if you're interested in changing
Qt4/5 keywording state on sparc.

Thanks,
Davide

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sparc Arch status

[Jack Morgan]

Following up to my email from a year ago....

I've been out for several months and getting back to working on Gentoo.
I'd like to provide an update on sparc status...

On 05/17/15 08:36, Jack Morgan wrote:
> All,
> 
> I wanted to send out an update on the Sparc arch team status. My overall
> plan is to reduce the total number of keywords for sparcto a more
> manageable level. I'd like to continue to have sparc be a stable arch
> for gentoo for as long as it makes sense. I'm hoping to get some
> feedback from the community as to what should be supported and what can
> be reduced.

We do have some people in the community who are interested in sparc. In
fact, we have one kernel developer who would like to get multilib working.

In addition, I have two who are interested in helping by being arch
testers (AT).


> (1) Bugzilla
> At the time of writing, here is the bug count for sparc. There is a good
> amount of keywording to do here and I'll start working on these in a week.
> 
> sparc: total (172), keywordreq (67), stablereq(85)

Current count:

sparc: total (349), keywordreq (76), stablereq(249)

If you are about to drop the last stable keyworded ebuild, please ping
me before hand. I will put it to the top of my queue. This is especially
true if its part of the system.


> (2) Installation (Wiki/Releng)
> The documentation is up to date and accurate. Thanks doc team! I
> recently did a fresh install so the current iso and stage3 work well.
> The stage3 need to be updated because they include perl-18 instead of
> perl-20. Otherwise, the install process is stable on my system.

We really need an updated ISO and stage tarballs.

> (3) Infra
> There is one developer machine[1] to use for keyword testing. Please
> request access from the contact in you would like a shell account.

We still have a system for all to use.

> (4) Profiles
> 
> (a) systemd support
> I tried for several days to get systemd working on sparc. systemd just
> seg faulted on boot up. In fact, I had trouble getting udev to start. It
> just produced an error "ignoring: Invalid argument error initializing
> netlink socket" and didn't start. Since udev didn't start, i was not
> able to log in nor ssh (no network interface found). I made the switch
> to eudev and eudev started just fine. I'll file a couple of bugs in a
> week and go from there. I'll work with the systemd team to resolve these
> problems.

No update here and not sure of the status as I need to investigate

> (b) gnome/kde desktop support
> I'd like to propose dropping support for gnome/kde desktop if systemd
> isn't supported on sparc. I'm note sure it makes sense long term nor
> have developer resources to continue to keyword it. I have a couple of
> desktop systems so can test easily but running xfce4 atm. I'm open to
> others opinions.

I'm going to drop support for all desktops except xfce4. If someone else
wants to help out and support another desktop, they are free to join the
team and do so.


> (c) java support
> The java team said they don't have cycles to support sparc. Support
> would have to come from the sparc team or the community. Unless someone
> steps up to help out with java, I'll propose to drop support on sparc.
> Thanks to the java team for helping us know what needs to be done to
> support java or not.

Support already dropped last year. Thanks java team.

> (5) anything else?
> Is there anything I missed? Other sections of gentoo?

I need to schedule the annual arch team meeting to elect the arch lead.
Current members are are listed below. If you are not actively working on
sparc, then please update you status.

Lead(s)	none  (No lead election date set)


Members	
Agostino Sarubbo (ago) -  Security bugs primarily )
Jeroen Roovers (jer) - ( Porting )
Jack Morgan (jmorgan) - ( Gentoo/SPARC )
Pacho Ramos (Pacho) - ( Gentoo/SPARC )
Mike Frysinger (vapier) - ( Core-only )
Michael Weber (xmw) - ( Gentoo/SPARC )
Mikle Kolyada (Zlogene) - ( Gentoo/SPARC )



> [1]https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Infrastructure/Developer_Machines

Thanks,
-- 
Jack Morgan
Pub 4096R/761D8E0A 2010-09-13 Jack Morgan <jmorgan@gentoo.org>
Fingerprint = DD42 EA48 D701 D520 C2CD 55BE BF53 C69B 761D 8E0A

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sparc Arch status

[alexmcwhirter]

On 2016-08-15 22:54, Jack Morgan wrote:
> Following up to my email from a year ago....
> 
> 
> We do have some people in the community who are interested in sparc. In
> fact, we have one kernel developer who would like to get multilib 
> working.
> 
> In addition, I have two who are interested in helping by being arch
> testers (AT).
> 
> 

I have made new profiles for sparc. They support 32bit / 64bit userland 
and multilib both ways. I have yet to run into any major issues.

I need to finish up my developer application however.

>> (2) Installation (Wiki/Releng)
>> The documentation is up to date and accurate. Thanks doc team! I
>> recently did a fresh install so the current iso and stage3 work well.
>> The stage3 need to be updated because they include perl-18 instead of
>> perl-20. Otherwise, the install process is stable on my system.
> 
> We really need an updated ISO and stage tarballs.

I have some from ~February, i'm not opposed to making more.

>> (a) systemd support
>> I tried for several days to get systemd working on sparc. systemd just
>> seg faulted on boot up. In fact, I had trouble getting udev to start. 
>> It
>> just produced an error "ignoring: Invalid argument error initializing
>> netlink socket" and didn't start. Since udev didn't start, i was not
>> able to log in nor ssh (no network interface found). I made the switch
>> to eudev and eudev started just fine. I'll file a couple of bugs in a
>> week and go from there. I'll work with the systemd team to resolve 
>> these
>> problems.
> 
> No update here and not sure of the status as I need to investigate

Should be fine with a kernel newer than 3.16, i only tested with a 64bit 
userland however

>> (b) gnome/kde desktop support
>> I'd like to propose dropping support for gnome/kde desktop if systemd
>> isn't supported on sparc. I'm note sure it makes sense long term nor
>> have developer resources to continue to keyword it. I have a couple of
>> desktop systems so can test easily but running xfce4 atm. I'm open to
>> others opinions.
> 
> I'm going to drop support for all desktops except xfce4. If someone 
> else
> wants to help out and support another desktop, they are free to join 
> the
> team and do so.

No comment here, i have not attempted to build any DE's on sparc.

>> (c) java support
>> The java team said they don't have cycles to support sparc. Support
>> would have to come from the sparc team or the community. Unless 
>> someone
>> steps up to help out with java, I'll propose to drop support on sparc.
>> Thanks to the java team for helping us know what needs to be done to
>> support java or not.
> 
> Support already dropped last year. Thanks java team.

Debian has java working on sparc64, maybe we should take a look at that?

> I need to schedule the annual arch team meeting to elect the arch lead.
> Current members are are listed below. If you are not actively working 
> on
> sparc, then please update you status.
> 
> Lead(s)	none  (No lead election date set)
> 
> 
> Members
> Agostino Sarubbo (ago) -  Security bugs primarily )
> Jeroen Roovers (jer) - ( Porting )
> Jack Morgan (jmorgan) - ( Gentoo/SPARC )
> Pacho Ramos (Pacho) - ( Gentoo/SPARC )
> Mike Frysinger (vapier) - ( Core-only )
> Michael Weber (xmw) - ( Gentoo/SPARC )
> Mikle Kolyada (Zlogene) - ( Gentoo/SPARC )
> 
> 
> 
>> [1]https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Infrastructure/Developer_Machines
> 
> Thanks,

I'm up for any position you need. After i have the developer status 
worked out i plan to share quite a bit of code. I've been working 
silently for too long.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sparc Arch status

[Jason Zaman]

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 07:54:21PM -0700, Jack Morgan wrote:
> > (b) gnome/kde desktop support
> > I'd like to propose dropping support for gnome/kde desktop if systemd
> > isn't supported on sparc. I'm note sure it makes sense long term nor
> > have developer resources to continue to keyword it. I have a couple of
> > desktop systems so can test easily but running xfce4 atm. I'm open to
> > others opinions.
> 
> I'm going to drop support for all desktops except xfce4. If someone else
> wants to help out and support another desktop, they are free to join the
> team and do so.

I'm the one in the Xfce team that usually handles the stabilization so
let me know if there are any issues or you want help with something.
The next release (4.13 or 4.14) of Xfce stuff is going to be fully
migrated to gtk3. The current stuff needs both gtk2 and 3. If you want
you can hold off a while and then do only gtk3 so you dont have to do
gtk2.

sparc also needs ConsoleKit2 keyworded and stabilized together with xfce
when you get around to it.

-- Jason