From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EC613800E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 20:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E2FE21C039; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 20:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.213.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3FF7E0732 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 20:58:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenq13 with SMTP id q13so1033140yen.40 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 13:58:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aeDIFeup0lySCKsha3WHIwPU/y+KVHhTGkjxpUHQGtQ=; b=zm7Ujb9OOTOSql1ujZlJov20xTOP7qZh5FZrCHMCwIIbR4CZ9XTeMTedWjUxLycxhZ n9BGD/PUE5pKbNrQicf9YttcX2xdcs8Rl5AYqyInVoVl1To89w8NSTIJeqNP5OsiAPlv 2ssKNf9cmZ+z+CdQW/XdeHyoIi0e8GjU8cVbYquSfsHIl/WmeCX7wXfgqUzivWuWmI4T 4LeY2EFH9usEhImCr7H/XeiDbgWNSyrwhASzg+xcPNNdEG6NFCNImO2Lifoo/+UR5eBI 2kRxMnZx6NH+pk2jnQ9hT7UQi14iOcsRZD+onYe96qTMYVRuT0hNHJgwuuarbUtuElVC wJdg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.147.5 with SMTP id s5mr646766yhj.87.1344545892542; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 13:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.194.7 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:58:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1344366029.24762.31.camel@TesterTop4> <502377E7.8010803@gentoo.org> <1344535966.2121.6.camel@TesterTop4> <20120809183130.GA6795@linux1> <20120809195727.5d04ccff@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:58:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: e142e3e3-ac9c-4771-9cee-8eff287dab91 X-Archives-Hash: 15b5d9c8ca5b3d62cf653e9608c7a1ef On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: >> >> I agree with Greg Kroah-Hartman: I actually like (and want) a >> "vertically integrated, tightly coupled way of doing things". > > Well, if you completely agreed with him you wouldn't be running Gentoo > (or Debian, or other general-purpose distros). He advocates that > ordinary users should use more purpose-driven distros, where all of > this stuff is less of an issue. > > He does make a valid point - I'd never argue that a linux noob should > start with Gentoo. However, obviously I think Gentoo has its place, > and the world would be poorer without it. I don't understand you. Greg is a Gentoo developer; he would never propose for Gentoo to disappear. I don't consider myself (nor any other Gentoo user) an ordinary user; Gentoo is for power users, I believe. That is orthogonal to get a vertically integrated, tightly coupled system, and the advantages of it are independent of how easy to use is the system. The primary advantage (from my point of view) is that we get a unique, robust stack from kernel to userspace, where we don't need to worry about 20 different implementations of the same functionality. I think that's what Greg was talking about, and I agree with that. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico