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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:53:34 -0500
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC
From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= <caneko@gmail.com>
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On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM, William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 11:12:46AM -0700, Olivier Cr=C3=AAte wrote:
>> > Most ideas behind systemd are interesting, their current implementatio=
n
>> > is sometimes completely wrong and given the experience with pulseaudio
>> > we all know that they won't change even if you provide code for it.
>>
>> This is bullshit, if you have good reasoned arguments, Lennart is a very
>> reasonable guy, but if you just say "your ideas are shit, you code is
>> terrible", then yes, he'll just ignore you.
>
> Sorry to call you on this one, but that is not the experience I had.
>
> I proposed adding configure switches to their build system to accomodate
> source base distros, such as gentoo, who at times want to use udev
> without systemd. I even went out of the way to make sure that I didn't
> change their default settings.
>
> Look at a thread on their ml called minimal builds along with their wiki
> page on minimal builds for Lennart's answer. He even went so far as to
> say that our package managers are broken, and there was absolutely no
> negotiating this point. We are wrong as far as he is concerned.
By the same reasoning, Linus is even a bigger asshole. In the kernel
they flatly refuse to merge code from a LOT of people; that's their
job in the end.
I read the thread where you proposed the changes to systemd's build
system. I wish it was accepted, but I also understand why they didn't.
As I said in other threads, they really don't care for source based
distros; and that sucks for Gentoo (and every other source based
distro), but it's their call. And it certainly helps them to keep the
build system simple, assuming that it would be used only by packagers
for binary distros.
That doesn't say anything about the design of systemd, which is why I
use it; not because of the build system.
Regards.
--=20
Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n
Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico