From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50FA613800E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 20D75E0675; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f53.google.com (mail-yw0-f53.google.com [209.85.213.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C617DE05EF for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhp3 with SMTP id 3so877792yhp.40 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:53:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rHb3RcQMXnkZstEeROvTttsBSLTJcCGWDoDs9xydQkw=; b=T4Rq+FCHhB06K9yVg/29GfO7x9siEgR5XzUTiTB5Lq34KLZA7eqe6xjmbhMMDicGwf CNrd6eYAtRsrj9rNnTL/6wsZrcC5FOKLSwsLTSLo+IYt4D8f0QCby6eA2+Urbj8IeMJp QNHSYGvDkbAPnZW1BcHXsCVuAsigPO5FA93xS9a2GSvrcz52hqwL3cKAdYzbYKpieotk cEoX3NwCKw1Hg7yGK07VL+98hZ0s+3VBTos7myJAhPHdhbjZPXf196rBSjR7hw0jTylE MgFLQl2Tr10foKuO/bZCtDg38nZ2QaCqGFxBrJ01whzW4s3476yUEdtMAZkphxJ1tVXa Q3jQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.87.194 with SMTP id y42mr307975yhe.81.1344538414321; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.194.7 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 11:53:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120809183130.GA6795@linux1> References: <1344366029.24762.31.camel@TesterTop4> <502377E7.8010803@gentoo.org> <1344535966.2121.6.camel@TesterTop4> <20120809183130.GA6795@linux1> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:53:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org, tester@gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 8f14cc8a-f7f6-4a0e-946f-1ea27a0cb92e X-Archives-Hash: 2d7c7a223486a86f3cec744138f7f741 On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 11:12:46AM -0700, Olivier Cr=C3=AAte wrote: >> > Most ideas behind systemd are interesting, their current implementatio= n >> > is sometimes completely wrong and given the experience with pulseaudio >> > we all know that they won't change even if you provide code for it. >> >> This is bullshit, if you have good reasoned arguments, Lennart is a very >> reasonable guy, but if you just say "your ideas are shit, you code is >> terrible", then yes, he'll just ignore you. > > Sorry to call you on this one, but that is not the experience I had. > > I proposed adding configure switches to their build system to accomodate > source base distros, such as gentoo, who at times want to use udev > without systemd. I even went out of the way to make sure that I didn't > change their default settings. > > Look at a thread on their ml called minimal builds along with their wiki > page on minimal builds for Lennart's answer. He even went so far as to > say that our package managers are broken, and there was absolutely no > negotiating this point. We are wrong as far as he is concerned. By the same reasoning, Linus is even a bigger asshole. In the kernel they flatly refuse to merge code from a LOT of people; that's their job in the end. I read the thread where you proposed the changes to systemd's build system. I wish it was accepted, but I also understand why they didn't. As I said in other threads, they really don't care for source based distros; and that sucks for Gentoo (and every other source based distro), but it's their call. And it certainly helps them to keep the build system simple, assuming that it would be used only by packagers for binary distros. That doesn't say anything about the design of systemd, which is why I use it; not because of the build system. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico