From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DABE13800E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 23:10:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 27B99E07B2; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 23:10:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gh0-f181.google.com (mail-gh0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B9EE0769 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 23:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghz3 with SMTP id 3so1148901ghz.40 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:10:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GOlznFxlJbdfSDV/u9CIsmVq/QDr1bGYcgVRTuAuPHs=; b=du5DxOhsLNXURqV9Nkyjx0cLEjnbvJIRAUYGEXBGPcYzWX2os6Q1IksOKnz27iUPUO zl/Q1vnnneqFjPShiQDhEHYlAFvIYJc6Nx85hEys4YIirluHDmHHDJ0KLs5TseFY3FZJ qU1P1YnzjNqbAnTMvDFbKkzQsNrqEpl4lSKb5i9P8fl6P38O7o5d7TpL1wk0R+9z2UzN Wtdnmoh69GlnFrtJTnwYNGxtuAny1Jxr16I5M69TzDEGKC/gUqQsnjKqLs79wcvvNJqs AoSFb0DsP+dfEfBg/p+oMdyuMfXb40G4+/sLXS+o8nGjd07pM6Xo0rrGo8AdUHtrzS8y /OLw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.106.136 with SMTP id gu8mr139340igb.23.1344553809503; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.6.11 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 16:10:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120809230025.GB7121@waltdnes.org> References: <1344366029.24762.31.camel@TesterTop4> <502377E7.8010803@gentoo.org> <20120809230025.GB7121@waltdnes.org> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:10:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: c9d4e339-6c4a-4c3c-a603-3635a6934720 X-Archives-Hash: 3878ebb15f223c6c11a3e4da9226c221 On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 01:44:25PM -0500, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote >> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:42 AM, Luca Barbato wrote: >> >> > Obviously it is always fun seeing people first say "accept it or fork >> > it", then "do not keep your fork you are wasting time" once somebody >> > starts forking and/or working for an alternative. >> >> By all means, fork it. Just allow Gentoo users to use udev/systemd as >> upstream intended. And while we are at it, don't put OpenRC in the >> dependency list of baselayout, otherwise it gets pulled in (and >> sysvinit with it) for all systemd users even if we don't use it at >> all. > > Good idea. While we're at it, please also let's not make > systemd/udevd/dbus/pam mandatory. I agree. Systemd is not mandatory; dbus is not mandatory, and thanks to your efforts udev is not mandatory, right? I don't know about PAM, but I'm not opposed for it to not being mandatory. So lets stop making OpenRC mandatory, and besides in a completely artificial way: nothing really depends on functionalitty provided by OpenRC. So let people make their OpenRC+mdev systems without systemd, and let people make their systemd+udev systems without OpenRC. Everybody wins. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico