From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5EC91381F3 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 16:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 26EA5E0DCF; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 16:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 106CDE0D70 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 16:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id o7so3389841lbv.17 for ; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 09:38:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UlY9iRWolzLYCEUNovJMxgnaCsNhmQ8GEtZMbY++uHc=; b=pBGFbIGXrMVWxNgPNyqYgM9RIHf4o6FtkKPS7Wu2sLvwbHbVGYWKhIwaktQrj3hRvE yvPgkmItzQWrONwAIX8S/TUSrSu9ZjD/32zsjFJ7Eo2UpamcJFmXfLYtdAYvTmGAZt6V zwzX30pHyS4qNYudv+96KJ5Xz5BQddwIFCJnPzzcG1jJRBoyMV88m/SIY82QR9A35Bp6 j9Ct+BYRz8CToCcklqMfnZYET2qTZc2V0sTpPjCBwjAH0hQHZLY28EXRA4tULEL9R8eg X5BkUslPi9yDVDLPdTp287k8hyUhbxQ+YDkR7ECysUHtpHpVp7YlTliukZRo06bdQb8A jicg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.145.233 with SMTP id sx9mr4725520lbb.69.1376066320274; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 09:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.96.2 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 09:38:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130809155422.2d76eedc@gentoo.org> References: <5203A880.1050306@gentoo.org> <5203B190.80306@gentoo.org> <20130808172340.7d2424af@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <5203C908.1000304@gentoo.org> <20130808185357.4208db83@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130808202627.4b474471@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130809020303.GA11215@linux1> <1376033807.30224.21.camel@kanae> <5204B6A9.1080309@gentoo.org> <5204D30A.703@gentoo.org> <20130809132622.70e67d5c@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <5204D4DC.30108@gentoo.org> <1376048315.7236.18.camel@localhost> <5204DD14.6030909@gmail.com> <20130809155422.2d76eedc@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 11:38:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: vivo75@gmail.com, Pacho Ramos Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: f7d6f8e9-e950-46c3-8be8-4a42df34bf18 X-Archives-Hash: 12d6f3a98e29b5f472997d3d90c28daa On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny = wrote: > Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 14:14:12 > "vivo75@gmail.com" napisa=C5=82(a): > >> On 08/09/13 13:38, Pacho Ramos wrote: >> > El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 19:39 +0800, Patrick Lauer escribi=C3=B3: >> >> On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800 >> >>> Patrick Lauer wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> You just removed the upgrade path for users. >> >>> The upgrade path is to install systemd or to implement openrc suppor= t. >> >>> >> >> Invalid upgrade path. >> >> >> >> "The upgrade path is to install Fedora" is about as reasonable, and a= lso >> >> not acceptable. >> >> >> >> >> > The upgrade path is to run systemd, not migrate to fedora. As simply a= s >> > such >> > >> > >> is systemd useful if not run with PID=3D1 ? Honest question > > Not a honest question but either honest troll, or you're awfully lazy > and just making noise here. > > So the answer is: yes, it's quite useful when run with PID!=3D1. It's > called systemd user instance (something OpenRC totally can't handle) > and it can be used to manage user services. I forgot thtat when I answered, but that requires that systemd is also running as PID 1. If I understand the question correctly (and I didn't perceived any "trollism"), it was about if you can install systemd, but run OpenRC as PID 1, and have everything working. In that case, the answer is no. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico