From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SrZXZ-0003yz-MX for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:04:06 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 32D42E058E; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.213.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD7BE04C7 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl3 with SMTP id l3so2119658yen.40 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:03:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nARu7mUfWSfPWMOxxvJDxDDGf2aVqbfqCx2YNFOdDeA=; b=Ih5um9Kh+AayNmdyKaimc/ZBWPQTr3/lyFawjpgW+0Dz1uO6W50b2AAw1TYxrH901H DLYRkL5fSvE10NqPUmtYFboQ0cW7x6cvmFuuCG+10nWy+AurKMW8JGaINiXRAACsuKHk aTs9ThDTMMNZXGK/Drho5HVVb8/bd32z3p3PwyrKQ3vIVXLSpyBOceHxXsv2PXNakW83 CWhJxO3Yw6riCsBqEPkdJJBpo8kxqRiHWTVx2pwoLLfal69oys4+AGJfZBsps7oPSMxr PhZU5OkEv1YcytwfhPnc4SZ25REAEGEBgPT12Oc5kvYEKEbE2QRnkeXWl93/0CCCl25g otEA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.124.13 with SMTP id w13mr1945788yhh.76.1342638191277; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.152.2 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:03:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5005D70D.3060108@gentoo.org> <1342566449.18313.38.camel@TesterTop4> <50063368.8080106@gentoo.org> <20120718101027.55dd00fe@pomiocik.lan> <5006B7A4.6010202@gentoo.org> <20120718161351.GA19044@serenity.o.westcall.spb.ru> <20120718184012.12446404@googlemail.com> <20120718195809.242f7d99@pomiocik.lan> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:03:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Opinion against /usr merge From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: b7ed41e0-1612-4c22-9d6f-e9d49a67538e X-Archives-Hash: 9650ad6f33e24968499f232861535d63 On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Alec Warner wrote: [snip] >> Debian uses initramfs-tools... > > AFAIK, neither genkernel nor dracut were expected to get tied to the > Gentoo update process. Has that changed? The kernel you are running (if you update your machine) is not tied to the Gentoo update process. The *source code* gets installed, but the kernel source remains unchanged in /usr/src/whatever. It's the user responsibility to configure, compile, and install the kernel (and then update LILO, grub-legacy or GRUB2). It can be automated with (ta-da) genkernel, but it's not "tied to the Gentoo update process". I really don't see that much difference with needing to also update the initramfs, if needed. Because, besides, if your /usr is not in a different partition, you don't even *need* an initramfs. In that case not using an initramfs is supported by all upstreams. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico