From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FF813800E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 19:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 45D54E07AE; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 19:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gh0-f181.google.com (mail-gh0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC10E0760 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 19:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghz3 with SMTP id 3so919173ghz.40 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:24:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=v+nAsJ6nyk4TpwsbqT90iqGAi+iy/L2YIHelo5iIcfc=; b=u44pPl2NBB1yMPj60BCl+o5RVSdGJvphcVTAQMopUB/WNWFk9InDHEjTML07P0dWAU KNTGkgu+b4gux2RzLiVGpmTGp7aptzqkGTMxqXnJjDlwL9nAnrTScY798FsKX9WPwA1k y8K5F9K/MrQMI+fMIyD+sk0AKBALORlKIQb2850D3L3/d1W+YG6zsakEKqvBqARf2FEI 2QBxvsw4IcQ1T8skh+lJlhaPP/Zk2b4AhvPG0pgHwfvdlZG97liVQ5EprgUcJJZiE+go SWQJdeTROeBD9l2YOPV0bOKQWiKPU1jVHTpYTCyuDasK7au0NtAhbas5AgA3ecnH32Bn q59g== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.131.146 with SMTP id m18mr413781yhi.65.1344540265767; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.194.7 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 12:24:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120809195727.5d04ccff@googlemail.com> References: <1344366029.24762.31.camel@TesterTop4> <502377E7.8010803@gentoo.org> <1344535966.2121.6.camel@TesterTop4> <20120809183130.GA6795@linux1> <20120809195727.5d04ccff@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 14:24:25 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 0c58c380-0c01-4ce5-94a1-4f6551669a05 X-Archives-Hash: 5a0188780a6e6eff7e153d72bb9db42c On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:53:34 -0500 > Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: >> That doesn't say anything about the design of systemd, which is why I >> use it; not because of the build system. > > Actually, it's fairly representative of the design of systemd too: it > forces you into a particular monolithic, vertically integrated, tightly > coupled way of doing things, and if you try to deviate from that way, > then you're stuffed. I agree with Greg Kroah-Hartman: I actually like (and want) a "vertically integrated, tightly coupled way of doing things". And of course people who *don't* want that don't have to use it; just don't expect support from the people writing the code for a "vertically integrated, tightly coupled" OS, and don't complain when they reject your contributions when they go against their goals. Or in other words, if you don't want a vertically integrated, tightly coupled system, then use mdev, or Luca's fork of udev; if enough people really want that, they will thrive. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico