[gentoo-dev] About unresolved bugs assigned to voip for ages

[gentoo-dev] About unresolved bugs assigned to voip for ages

[Pacho Ramos]

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Hello

I am noticing for a long time that bugs related with ekiga, opal,
yate... are completely unattended by voip team for years. If nobody from
that team is willing to maintain them, please move them to
maintainer-needed to, at least, reflect reality.

Thanks

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Re: [gentoo-dev] About unresolved bugs assigned to voip for ages

[Ben de Groot]

On 6 October 2012 22:06, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Hello
>
> I am noticing for a long time that bugs related with ekiga, opal,
> yate... are completely unattended by voip team for years. If nobody from
> that team is willing to maintain them, please move them to
> maintainer-needed to, at least, reflect reality.
>
> Thanks

I have the impression the herd doesn't have any active developers.
-- 
Cheers,

Ben | yngwin
Gentoo developer
Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin

[gentoo-dev] Re: About unresolved bugs assigned to voip for ages

[Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn]

Pacho Ramos schrieb:
> Hello
> 
> I am noticing for a long time that bugs related with ekiga, opal, 
> yate... are completely unattended by voip team for years. If nobody
> from that team is willing to maintain them, please move them to 
> maintainer-needed to, at least, reflect reality.

The members of the voip team are usually interested in a few specific
packages only.

Many of the packages which have become unmaintained had a maintainer
once, but these were retired from Gentoo at some point. The package
was then left with the herd. Nobody in the herd was interested to
maintain them but nobody was sufficiently motivated to speak out
against this either.


Best regards,
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About unresolved bugs assigned to voip for ages

[Ben de Groot]

On 7 October 2012 04:37, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
<chithanh@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Pacho Ramos schrieb:
>> Hello
>>
>> I am noticing for a long time that bugs related with ekiga, opal,
>> yate... are completely unattended by voip team for years. If nobody
>> from that team is willing to maintain them, please move them to
>> maintainer-needed to, at least, reflect reality.
>
> The members of the voip team are usually interested in a few specific
> packages only.
>
> Many of the packages which have become unmaintained had a maintainer
> once, but these were retired from Gentoo at some point. The package
> was then left with the herd. Nobody in the herd was interested to
> maintain them but nobody was sufficiently motivated to speak out
> against this either.

Does voip herd belong to any project, is there a leader? Can you guys
get together and decide who is doing what? And then remove inactive
devs from the herd, and put unmaintained packages up for grabs /
assign to maintainer-needed?

That would make things more transparent and maybe get some movement in
open bugs.
-- 
Cheers,

Ben | yngwin
Gentoo developer
Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About unresolved bugs assigned to voip for ages

[Pacho Ramos]

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El dom, 07-10-2012 a las 12:08 +0800, Ben de Groot escribió:
> On 7 October 2012 04:37, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
> <chithanh@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > Pacho Ramos schrieb:
> >> Hello
> >>
> >> I am noticing for a long time that bugs related with ekiga, opal,
> >> yate... are completely unattended by voip team for years. If nobody
> >> from that team is willing to maintain them, please move them to
> >> maintainer-needed to, at least, reflect reality.
> >
> > The members of the voip team are usually interested in a few specific
> > packages only.
> >
> > Many of the packages which have become unmaintained had a maintainer
> > once, but these were retired from Gentoo at some point. The package
> > was then left with the herd. Nobody in the herd was interested to
> > maintain them but nobody was sufficiently motivated to speak out
> > against this either.
> 
> Does voip herd belong to any project, is there a leader? Can you guys
> get together and decide who is doing what? And then remove inactive
> devs from the herd, and put unmaintained packages up for grabs /
> assign to maintainer-needed?
> 
> That would make things more transparent and maybe get some movement in
> open bugs.

Yes, that would be the right thing to do as now there are a lot of
packages that are like in a "limbo" 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About unresolved bugs assigned to voip for ages

[Pacho Ramos]

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El dom, 07-10-2012 a las 08:55 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> El dom, 07-10-2012 a las 12:08 +0800, Ben de Groot escribió:
> > On 7 October 2012 04:37, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
> > <chithanh@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > > Pacho Ramos schrieb:
> > >> Hello
> > >>
> > >> I am noticing for a long time that bugs related with ekiga, opal,
> > >> yate... are completely unattended by voip team for years. If nobody
> > >> from that team is willing to maintain them, please move them to
> > >> maintainer-needed to, at least, reflect reality.
> > >
> > > The members of the voip team are usually interested in a few specific
> > > packages only.
> > >
> > > Many of the packages which have become unmaintained had a maintainer
> > > once, but these were retired from Gentoo at some point. The package
> > > was then left with the herd. Nobody in the herd was interested to
> > > maintain them but nobody was sufficiently motivated to speak out
> > > against this either.
> > 
> > Does voip herd belong to any project, is there a leader? Can you guys
> > get together and decide who is doing what? And then remove inactive
> > devs from the herd, and put unmaintained packages up for grabs /
> > assign to maintainer-needed?
> > 
> > That would make things more transparent and maybe get some movement in
> > open bugs.
> 
> Yes, that would be the right thing to do as now there are a lot of
> packages that are like in a "limbo" 

Any news here? I can move that packages to maintainer-needed if you send
me the list of packages you don't want to maintain. Also, maybe
telepathy stuff could be moved to its own herd (that is basically gnome
team + tester... or maybe tester could join gnome team ;))

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About unresolved bugs assigned to voip for ages

[Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn]

Pacho Ramos schrieb:
>>>>> I am noticing for a long time that bugs related with ekiga,
>>>>> opal, yate... are completely unattended by voip team for
>>>>> years. If nobody from that team is willing to maintain
>>>>> them, please move them to maintainer-needed to, at least,
>>>>> reflect reality.

> Any news here? I can move that packages to maintainer-needed if you
> send me the list of packages you don't want to maintain. Also,
> maybe telepathy stuff could be moved to its own herd (that is
> basically gnome team + tester... or maybe tester could join gnome
> team ;))

There is now one proxy maintainer for a couple of packages, he is
currently waiting for voip overlay access in bug 437538. He will take
care of linphone and related packages (see bug 399735 and its
dependencies).

Regarding the packages that can be moved to maintainer-needed: I think
a good heuristic is if the package has several open bugs with no
maintainer reaction, and hasn't been touched by anyone from voip herd
in over a year. This would include the ekiga, opal and yate packages
mentioned above.


Best regards,
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About unresolved bugs assigned to voip for ages

[Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek)]

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
<chithanh@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Pacho Ramos schrieb:
>>>>>> I am noticing for a long time that bugs related with ekiga,
>>>>>> opal, yate... are completely unattended by voip team for
>>>>>> years. If nobody from that team is willing to maintain
>>>>>> them, please move them to maintainer-needed to, at least,
>>>>>> reflect reality.
>
>> Any news here? I can move that packages to maintainer-needed if you
>> send me the list of packages you don't want to maintain. Also,
>> maybe telepathy stuff could be moved to its own herd (that is
>> basically gnome team + tester... or maybe tester could join gnome
>> team ;))
>
> There is now one proxy maintainer for a couple of packages, he is
> currently waiting for voip overlay access in bug 437538. He will take
> care of linphone and related packages (see bug 399735 and its
> dependencies).
>
> Regarding the packages that can be moved to maintainer-needed: I think
> a good heuristic is if the package has several open bugs with no
> maintainer reaction, and hasn't been touched by anyone from voip herd
> in over a year. This would include the ekiga, opal and yate packages
> mentioned above.
>
I'd gladly take maintainership of opal and ekiga, if nobody wants them.

Cheers,

-- 
Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek)
Gentoo Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About unresolved bugs assigned to voip for ages

[Pacho Ramos]

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El mié, 10-10-2012 a las 20:11 -0400, Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) escribió:
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
> <chithanh@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > Pacho Ramos schrieb:
> >>>>>> I am noticing for a long time that bugs related with ekiga,
> >>>>>> opal, yate... are completely unattended by voip team for
> >>>>>> years. If nobody from that team is willing to maintain
> >>>>>> them, please move them to maintainer-needed to, at least,
> >>>>>> reflect reality.
> >
> >> Any news here? I can move that packages to maintainer-needed if you
> >> send me the list of packages you don't want to maintain. Also,
> >> maybe telepathy stuff could be moved to its own herd (that is
> >> basically gnome team + tester... or maybe tester could join gnome
> >> team ;))
> >
> > There is now one proxy maintainer for a couple of packages, he is
> > currently waiting for voip overlay access in bug 437538. He will take
> > care of linphone and related packages (see bug 399735 and its
> > dependencies).
> >
> > Regarding the packages that can be moved to maintainer-needed: I think
> > a good heuristic is if the package has several open bugs with no
> > maintainer reaction, and hasn't been touched by anyone from voip herd
> > in over a year. This would include the ekiga, opal and yate packages
> > mentioned above.
> >
> I'd gladly take maintainership of opal and ekiga, if nobody wants them.
> 
> Cheers,
> 

Would be nice as they need a lot of bumps and pending work 


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About unresolved bugs assigned to voip for ages

[Pacho Ramos]

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El jue, 11-10-2012 a las 08:13 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> El mié, 10-10-2012 a las 20:11 -0400, Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) escribió:
> > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
> > <chithanh@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > > Pacho Ramos schrieb:
> > >>>>>> I am noticing for a long time that bugs related with ekiga,
> > >>>>>> opal, yate... are completely unattended by voip team for
> > >>>>>> years. If nobody from that team is willing to maintain
> > >>>>>> them, please move them to maintainer-needed to, at least,
> > >>>>>> reflect reality.
> > >
> > >> Any news here? I can move that packages to maintainer-needed if you
> > >> send me the list of packages you don't want to maintain. Also,
> > >> maybe telepathy stuff could be moved to its own herd (that is
> > >> basically gnome team + tester... or maybe tester could join gnome
> > >> team ;))
> > >
> > > There is now one proxy maintainer for a couple of packages, he is
> > > currently waiting for voip overlay access in bug 437538. He will take
> > > care of linphone and related packages (see bug 399735 and its
> > > dependencies).
> > >
> > > Regarding the packages that can be moved to maintainer-needed: I think
> > > a good heuristic is if the package has several open bugs with no
> > > maintainer reaction, and hasn't been touched by anyone from voip herd
> > > in over a year. This would include the ekiga, opal and yate packages
> > > mentioned above.
> > >
> > I'd gladly take maintainership of opal and ekiga, if nobody wants them.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> 
> Would be nice as they need a lot of bumps and pending work 
> 

Looks like finally you added yourself to metadata but with instructions
to bug-wranglers to CC you and assign to herd. I would like to confirm
this way of assigning things with both as voip herd people didn't touch
ekiga related packages and, also, would be better to clarify things
before me going to their bugs and assigning them properly to comply
current metadatas (as I have seen some ekiga bugs still only assigned to
voip herd without you CCed)

Thanks

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About unresolved bugs assigned to voip for ages

[Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn]

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Pacho Ramos schrieb:
> Looks like finally you added yourself to metadata but with instructions 
> to bug-wranglers to CC you and assign to herd. I would like to confirm 
> this way of assigning things

The difference is almost inconsequential in practice. Bugmail will be sent
to both assignee and CC:. Only for maintainers without bugzilla privileges
they need to ping their proxy to make certain updates to the bug.
x11 team has similar instructions in the metadata for their proxy
maintained package.


Best regards,
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About unresolved bugs assigned to voip for ages

[Pacho Ramos]

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El jue, 03-01-2013 a las 00:43 +0100, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
escribió:
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> Pacho Ramos schrieb:
> > Looks like finally you added yourself to metadata but with instructions 
> > to bug-wranglers to CC you and assign to herd. I would like to confirm 
> > this way of assigning things
> 
> The difference is almost inconsequential in practice. Bugmail will be sent
> to both assignee and CC:. Only for maintainers without bugzilla privileges
> they need to ping their proxy to make certain updates to the bug.
> x11 team has similar instructions in the metadata for their proxy
> maintained package.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn

Well, I was referring to this exact case as voip team already pointed
they weren't looking to ekiga stuff and, then, didn't had much sense to
me to see bugs assigned to them instead of real maintainer (will commit
access)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About unresolved bugs assigned to voip for ages

[Pacho Ramos]

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El jue, 03-01-2013 a las 12:41 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
[...]
> Well, I was referring to this exact case as voip team already pointed
> they weren't looking to ekiga stuff and, then, didn't had much sense to
> me to see bugs assigned to them instead of real maintainer (will commit
> access)

will -> with

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About unresolved bugs assigned to voip for ages

[Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek)]

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On Jan 3, 2013 6:54 AM, "Pacho Ramos" <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> El jue, 03-01-2013 a las 12:41 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> [...]
> > Well, I was referring to this exact case as voip team already pointed
> > they weren't looking to ekiga stuff and, then, didn't had much sense to
> > me to see bugs assigned to them instead of real maintainer (will commit
> > access)
>
> will -> with

Pacho, I have been taking care of ekiga, ptlib and opal. Feel free to make
me the assignee for bugs in those packages.

I should be on metadata for those...

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About unresolved bugs assigned to voip for ages

[Pacho Ramos]

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El jue, 03-01-2013 a las 09:33 -0500, Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) escribió:
> 
> On Jan 3, 2013 6:54 AM, "Pacho Ramos" <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >
> > El jue, 03-01-2013 a las 12:41 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió:
> > [...]
> > > Well, I was referring to this exact case as voip team already
> pointed
> > > they weren't looking to ekiga stuff and, then, didn't had much
> sense to
> > > me to see bugs assigned to them instead of real maintainer (will
> commit
> > > access)
> >
> > will -> with
> 
> Pacho, I have been taking care of ekiga, ptlib and opal. Feel free to
> make me the assignee for bugs in those packages. 
> 
> I should be on metadata for those...
> 
> 

Thanks, will then assign to you and CC herd, if voip people want to
completely drop, please talk!

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