From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4346713800E for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C05EEE071D; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gh0-f181.google.com (mail-gh0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF837E0713 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:42:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghbz13 with SMTP id z13so3109993ghb.40 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:42:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KT9kWmfPVQcc2WTmyY5+oCkpShZkjZey1MRyE8KV2xQ=; b=A4oYcmhVLtrHX14BOCD9h3U5NTrpzGC+LzEuwl/pgH7PEklsFXOxr21XZi50WoxHZ1 80iUx9Ylfj2cDg4x7JVX8qW20gL9pUeLaTAs/YKzw3zK8JD+K0bfS8YG2CoSV9lQJkIz QIb3fM0XYkUP5c8wYCB+lpCohEB5JJfWXcp+1Ojk5iATJcHSWu5i69UgsN/FuWrJKI+G 3CzaSDX6rkoFbAv0YNZPleEWv1F5/2btGLXDu9vdP70wkCmqsgeEWhs6xLFpnOZIn4qo n5R0b4jm+wUPKzlD+Ux2vHUgXYxvBaUbQrw4aXG7T9xmMgqYcEMSg9r71wwiLPyEsjZg X2ZA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.158.229 with SMTP id wx5mr983708igb.23.1343371355118; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Sender: yngwin@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.98.70 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:42:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20488.35316.711787.711764@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> References: <3146937.NEprMvEFLe@mephista> <20488.35316.711787.711764@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:42:34 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: InsqAiiF0L68BAQrzxeIsbKbbac Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default From: Ben de Groot To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: a8a2703b-d6e2-45da-af31-6a90f4375b84 X-Archives-Hash: 4670d0ea4244fc9f0f09a0875a338781 On 20 July 2012 06:28, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012, Sascha Cunz wrote: > >> Is there a reason for not using at least en_US.UTF-8 as a "sane" >> default value? > > Because there's no one-size-fits-all locale, but it is specific to > every system so the user must configure it? While this is understandable, the fact remains that not having a UTF-8 locale by default in our stage3 environment is sub-optimal. I understand why the council rejected Debian's C.UTF-8 option, but is there really no better default that we can use? Without any default locale set, in practically all cases that means that the user is presented with English, and mostly the American variant. So, in practice, we are defaulting to en_US, just not in a unicode environment. Correct me if I'm wrong. Also, in most other places (such as our website, GLEPs, ebuilds) we default to en_US.UTF-8. So let's upgrade to en_US.UTF-8, which is for most users more desirable than the current situation. Of course we will still advise them to set their desired locales in /etc/locale.gen. But at least they will start with a unicode environment, as expected anno 2012. > The matter was recently discussed in this mailing list [1] and also in > the March 2012 council meeting [2], and as a result the docs team has > amended the respective section [3] of the handbook. > > Ulrich > > [1] > [2] > [3] > -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin