From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B37138247 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EA1F1E0A83; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:22:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f180.google.com (mail-ie0-f180.google.com [209.85.223.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17BD4E09FB for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:21:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f180.google.com with SMTP id qd12so2554636ieb.11 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 04:21:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4WFsrYV5vQLvh/z6IIPxDnMUAsARzmWkDnvDVk2M2u8=; b=OPkpYxO28idwzTBYFhemPaysrQ8qEuNTIzk7OPLi0ZspVQyjq6sbueco4VnmhZYRq8 N0CPM8LNdmVw5ffwJgk3skPb/DKHd9Yfv8EbIkkwpxCPcCv4ZRFTYpPKx7HpK7HE8FsI ONchaSOWtp4os8IvqwxeynoYLhaprsRvfYXJw+7hAeZOYGWx4n04sITQ6sqJQs6rFYLj fzO57Qh/0tniGyOq0HTycV2AXmbnip6HmHLudj191PELe8dDiOo2bK6NTi2fbLTOPB1h oCz7IdkmItGQFjZscqWRz1Nul1gqnIQma5AmXXBoXcVC45z5IuTReYOiOmk76+rCAdjY 2CaQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.141.133 with SMTP id ro5mr1131692igb.35.1384431718653; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 04:21:58 -0800 (PST) Sender: yngwin@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.227.240 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 04:21:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20131114061328.09136f6f@gentoo.org> References: <20131113151012.04145837@gentoo.org> <5283948F.1000409@gentoo.org> <52841023.9010208@gentoo.org> <20131114061328.09136f6f@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:21:58 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: IxXRcyWuyqCZur0IpStta7wS6j0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Please consider removing use.stable.mask and package.use.stable.mask From: Ben de Groot To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: ec3bebde-40ca-4493-b7e9-6ff798b3d873 X-Archives-Hash: 0bf33add53eb4c2849c0efdfed2ea008 On 14 November 2013 13:13, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote= : > Dnia 2013-11-14, o godz. 07:49:55 > Patrick Lauer napisa=C5=82(a): > >> On 11/13/2013 11:02 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: >> >> > It's also worth pointing out that the whole reason why abi_x86_32 is >> > {package.,}use.stable.masked is because trying to manage the partial >> > transisition between emul-* and multilib-build dependencies >> >> ^^ >> >> Why is there a partial random transition with no roadmap, no coordinatio= n? > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Multilib_porting_status > > That's the closest thing to a roadmap. Closest thing, yeah. But it doesn't really solve the problem. It's basically a one-man show, but affecting a large part of the tree, going ahead like a steam roller that can't be stopped, never mind the road kill. >> Well, discussing it properly would also maybe have been a good idea, but >> since this is now getting unilaterally hammered in it's mostly about >> damage limitation now ... > > And how is it possible to discuss anything properly in Gentoo? That's because we have no proper leadership. We're an anarchistic collection of people working at cross-purposes at the best of times. There is no direction, and very little accountability. --=20 Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer