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From: Ben de Groot <yngwin@gentoo.org>
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On 23 April 2013 01:13, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:43:22 +0800
> Ben de Groot <yngwin@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> > On 21 April 2013 22:38, Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n <
> chithanh@gentoo.org>wrote:
> >
> > > Denis Dupeyron schrieb:
> > > > I'm hoping this kind of immature and abrasive behaviours will not
> > > > propagate (notice the plural here). Yes, when you see a package bei=
ng
> > > > actively maintained by somebody else you should absolutely not touc=
h
> > > > it without talking to that person or team first.
> > >
> > > I fail to see any wrong behavior here. A bug report was created and a
> > > review
> > > of the changes was requested. The first reaction came after several
> weeks
> > > after the bug filing, and the first objection almost two months after
> the
> > > change was applied.
> > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D455074
> > >
> >
> > You are missing an important part of the story.
> > See https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D455070 where we discuss
> > the same issue for freetype. (Yes I should have been explicit for
> fontconfig
> > too, my bad.)
> >
> > I initially reacted within hours, saying that his proposal was in my ey=
es
> > not ready yet. I assumed I was clear enough in my refusal, but
> > apparently Micha=C5=82 didn't understand it that way. He then contacted
> > the herd a few weeks later, when I was on holiday, and got Luca's
> permission
> > to commit, not taking into account he hadn't touched those packages in
> > many years.
>
> Just to be clear -- I misunderstood you indeed.
I know, and it's water under the bridge. We're people and we make mistakes
sometimes. Let's move on.
> I thought you mean that
> you would agree if the idea is discussed and the discussion results in
> a general agreement on proceeding with the solution.
That and ample testing. I think it has been going all a bit too quick, with
the eclass(es) in flux, and so on. I'm still not convinced it's mature
enough
at this point, which is why I believe this should still be masked.
As to the discussion, I see only a few people speaking up, but obviously
you cannot be blamed for the silent majority.
But it's starting to look more and more like I'm the only one objecting
at this point. So maybe I should stop being cautious (or even cranky)
and let you guys go ahead and do your work. I do need someone to
co-maintain freetype and fontconfig then, as I am personally still not
happy with these changes and the maintenance burden they create.
> > After I found out, I was a bit pissed off about it, but I was too busy
> with
> > work to deal with it (and thought it wise to cool down a bit before
> taking
> > action). I then saw bug reports about the freetype multilib ebuild
> revision
> > flooding in, and was satisfied after it got masked.
>
> Those bugs weren't relevant to the final version of the ebuild which
> you have masked. The only actual bug left open was the one which I
> forgot to close after fixing it instantly after it was opened.
>
> So please don't say that I don't take responsibility for my changes.
I'm not saying that at all. You respond quickly. I can only commend you
on that.
But I do have doubts about long term maintainance. I know you are
more than willing to do your part, but it's simply beyond any one
person to (co-)maintain half the tree.
--=20
Cheers,
Ben | yngwin
Gentoo developer
Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On 23 April 2013 01:13, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny <span dir=
=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mgorny@gentoo.org" target=3D"_blank">mgorny@=
gentoo.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:43:22 +0800<br>
<div class=3D"im">Ben de Groot <<a href=3D"mailto:yngwin@gentoo.org">yng=
win@gentoo.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
</div><div class=3D"im">> On 21 April 2013 22:38, Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christo=
pher Nguy=E1=BB=85n <<a href=3D"mailto:chithanh@gentoo.org">chithanh@gen=
too.org</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Denis Dupeyron schrieb:<br>
> > > I'm hoping this kind of immature and abrasive behaviours=
will not<br>
> > > propagate (notice the plural here). Yes, when you see a pack=
age being<br>
> > > actively maintained by somebody else you should absolutely n=
ot touch<br>
> > > it without talking to that person or team first.<br>
> ><br>
> > I fail to see any wrong behavior here. A bug report was created a=
nd a<br>
> > review<br>
> > of the changes was requested. The first reaction came after sever=
al weeks<br>
> > after the bug filing, and the first objection almost two months a=
fter the<br>
> > change was applied.<br>
> > <a href=3D"https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D455074" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D455074</a><br>
> ><br>
><br>
> You are missing an important part of the story.<br>
> See <a href=3D"https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D455070" targe=
t=3D"_blank">https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D455070</a> where we =
discuss<br>
> the same issue for freetype. (Yes I should have been explicit for font=
config<br>
> too, my bad.)<br>
><br>
> I initially reacted within hours, saying that his proposal was in my e=
yes<br>
> not ready yet. I assumed I was clear enough in my refusal, but<br>
> apparently Micha=C5=82 didn't understand it that way. He then cont=
acted<br>
> the herd a few weeks later, when I was on holiday, and got Luca's =
permission<br>
> to commit, not taking into account he hadn't touched those package=
s in<br>
> many years.<br>
<br>
</div>Just to be clear -- I misunderstood you indeed.</blockquote><div><br>=
</div><div style>I know, and it's water under the bridge. We're peo=
ple and we make mistakes=C2=A0</div><div style>sometimes. Let's move on=
.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I thought you mean that<br=
>
you would agree if the idea is discussed and the discussion results in<br>
a general agreement on proceeding with the solution.</blockquote><div><br><=
/div><div style>That and ample testing. I think it has been going all a bit=
too quick, with=C2=A0</div><div style>the eclass(es) in flux, and so on. I=
'm still not convinced it's mature enough=C2=A0</div>
<div style>at this point, which is why I believe this should still be maske=
d.</div><div style><br></div><div style>As to the discussion, I see only a =
few people speaking up, but obviously</div><div style>you cannot be blamed =
for the silent majority.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>But it's starting to look more and more=
like I'm the only one objecting</div><div style>at this point. So mayb=
e I should stop being cautious (or even cranky)</div><div style>and let you=
guys go ahead and do your work. I do need someone to</div>
<div style>co-maintain freetype and fontconfig then, as I am personally sti=
ll not</div><div style>happy with these changes and the maintenance burden =
they create.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">
> After I found out, I was a bit pissed off about it, but I was too busy=
with<br>
> work to deal with it (and thought it wise to cool down a bit before ta=
king<br>
> action). I then saw bug reports about the freetype multilib ebuild rev=
ision<br>
> flooding in, and was satisfied after it got masked.<br>
<br>
</div>Those bugs weren't relevant to the final version of the ebuild wh=
ich<br>
you have masked. The only actual bug left open was the one which I<br>
forgot to close after fixing it instantly after it was opened.<br>
<br>
So please don't say that I don't take responsibility for my changes=
.</blockquote><div><br></div><div style>I'm not saying that at all. You=
respond quickly. I can only commend you</div><div style>on that.=C2=A0</di=
v>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div>But I do have doubts about long =
term maintainance. I know you are=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">mor=
e than willing to do your part, but it's simply beyond any one</div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_extra">
person to (co-)maintain half the tree.<br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <=
br>Cheers,<br><br>Ben | yngwin<br>Gentoo developer<br>Gentoo Qt project lea=
d, Gentoo Wiki admin
</div></div>
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