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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)
From: Ben de Groot <yngwin@gentoo.org>
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On 25 July 2012 02:52, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina <zerochaos@gentoo.org> wrote:
> While I completely understand where Fabian is coming from on all this I
> respectfully disagree. Long term gentoo users do NOT read the handbook,
> ever. I still install new systems with odd hacks that I picked up when
> gentoo was versioned 1.x and it pleases me, I don't care if those steps
> are not in the docs anymore or discouraged or whatever. I've not even
> glanced at the handbook for years, yet I've installed gentoo on dozens
> of systems since the last time I did.
>
> This is a big enough change that it will throw users who do not know,
> and my first impression of /etc/make.conf et all missing on a new stage
> is "file a bug report for a broken stage and assign it to those morons
> in releng". (please note the comic exaggeration and not a disrespect).
>
> This is a change that will break all new installs and expecting
> experienced gentoo users to read the handbook is simply a fantasy.
> Please, keep the news item.
+1
This is an important enough change to inform users about.
--
Cheers,
Ben | yngwin
Gentoo developer
Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin