From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04EC51381F3 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 07:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 052BFE0CD5; Sun, 26 May 2013 07:23:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f175.google.com (mail-ie0-f175.google.com [209.85.223.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5861E0BD0 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 07:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id s9so15731543iec.20 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 00:23:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=fZS0Wy6zrK61XuhqxRSz7Q9brVaW7aVWut2ktY8VTew=; b=dLUMZOH7iyabKamfXLR6tcKggs7ogCLL1baLVpEac7WnjyskGYYJV3lP26rqx0hVLw zb1boaoawwUecX8NVzzJ+4wbeeYDvLJztz+uvisGWG74wtgWqRgT9WYgffGJH8MwmpYU Vj582TnocWrKX1rK2jcJ1ZMNS3VFeSrlbXJP+8AeS3gSR2tdK3v/fe7gJ0iTImL2SjMx NDsEgI2NyPERVnXSEjZnG/6U5BDb4oqVd+6oI2Kyp0yfktkkSl3yiH+Fyu61Y0+7RvLr PWzdWeLR2bhR7RSPVrju25umo36yTP4mBLRbGi87zjZYSoK0pW59T7gNBal2wVCGNN8X vdGw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.118.39 with SMTP id kj7mr2750995igb.87.1369553024860; Sun, 26 May 2013 00:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Sender: yngwin@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.91.9 with HTTP; Sun, 26 May 2013 00:23:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130525184830.5bb25483@gentoo.org> References: <20130525184830.5bb25483@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 15:23:44 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: kx21v34PhV26prDIi9JChTUtkJ0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697) From: Ben de Groot To: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= Cc: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 07769278-f23e-4254-96a1-466c0f4355b1 X-Archives-Hash: f60dba9b76dd3370a7d4d31227cb7087 On 26 May 2013 00:48, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > On Sun, 26 May 2013 00:14:36 +0800 > Ben de Groot wrote: >> Unless I am mistaken, we did NOT agree anywhere that Gentoo >> maintainers MUST add systemd support when upstream does not ship such >> files. > > We did agree that Gentoo maintainers are not supposed to work on > enabling systemd support if they don't want to. OK, that sounds good. > On the other hand, we > also agreed that they shouldn't refuse unit files if anyone else > does the work for them. Where is this policy documented? >> [...] >> And you misunderstood: it is systemd that is aggressively opposed to >> Gentoo. But apparently that doesn't bother some of our developers and >> Gentoo is becoming more and more welcoming to it. > > Protecting freedom through taking away the freedom of using systemd? > Makes sense really. That would be similar to the way the GPL protects software freedom. Does that not make sense to you either? But it isn't even like that. I'm not taking away anyone's freedom to use systemd. You can do so if you wish. You can add unit files to your system by yourself, or use an overlay. There are various ways this could be realized even within Gentoo. But you seem to dismiss all of those, and will only be happy by forcing maintainers to add support to packages they maintain, even if they believe it is a bad idea. -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer