[gentoo-dev] A question to Russian Gentoo Developers Community about import software substitution

[gentoo-dev] A question to Russian Gentoo Developers Community about import software substitution

[Dmitry Yu Okunev]

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Hello.

I'm not a Gentoo Developer and sorry if I shouldn't write such messages
here. If it's really so then I'll consider this in the future and it
will not happen again.

The question is only for Russian Gentoo Developers subcommunity.

I had been trying to push the idea of creating an united FOSS community
to solve problems of the higher school of the Russian Federation. But
such initiatives faded due to absence of support of top executives… And
now (according to e.g. [1]) it won't be a problem, IMHO. And I'd prefer
make a distribution for the higher shool based on Gentoo Linux. So
here's the Question:

Does anybody interested in creating a consortium to send an application
to the Ministry of Communications?

[1] http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=42189

Best regards, Dmirty.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] A question to Russian Gentoo Developers Community about import software substitution

[Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov]

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> 
> I had been trying to push the idea of creating an united FOSS community
> to solve problems of the higher school of the Russian Federation. But
> such initiatives faded due to absence of support of top executives… And
> now (according to e.g. [1]) it won't be a problem, IMHO.

It would. Just because of the fact, that "top executives" (in Education Dept, 
in regional ministerys and so on) is that kind of clerks, that WOULDN'T accept 
anything if it is impossible to get (read as "steal") some money in personal.

> And I'd prefer
> make a distribution for the higher shool based on Gentoo Linux.

I'd also prefer, but it is not that possible as you imagine. There is such 
thing as certification in Federal Security Service (FSB) and so on. And there 
is only two such distributions: Alt Linux and Rosa Linux (if not talking about 
GPL-violating MSVS and Elbrus OS with unknown status of GPL violation (since 
I'm not ready to pay $5k just to check if sources will be included there)).

> So
> here's the Question:
> 
> Does anybody interested in creating a consortium to send an application
> to the Ministry of Communications?

I'm partially interested to mentally maintain that, but I have to free time to 
activelly do anything in personal (but, probably, will be fine in a group).
And, except of that, I even very interested in "in-place" integration, 
because: 1) I'm Gentoo-affiliated IT company CEO (and intereted in Gentoo 
popularity, and have legal possibility for in-place integration in the city I 
live now), 2) I'm a thrice father and dislike the idea my children will be 
forced to learn some M$-produced bloatware. That's why I very like the idea of 
FLOSS/Linuxes at all (and Gentoo in particular) in the schools.
But, as I said, I doubt in success of that operation. But... Let the Force be 
with us...


P.S. I'd not use politic-related phrases (like "import software substitution") 
in international communities at all and here in particular.

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Best regards,
mva

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Re: [gentoo-dev] A question to Russian Gentoo Developers Community about import software substitution

[Diamond]

On Sat, 09 May 2015 02:05:58 +0600
"Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov" <mva@mva.name> wrote:

> I'd also prefer, but it is not that possible as you imagine. There is
> such thing as certification in Federal Security Service (FSB) and so
> on. And there is only two such distributions: Alt Linux and Rosa
> Linux (if not talking about GPL-violating MSVS and Elbrus OS with
> unknown status of GPL violation (since I'm not ready to pay $5k just
> to check if sources will be included there)).

For secure industrial OS there's one from Kaspersky wich isn't based on
Linux kernel at all but was written by their own. And that's what FSB
may check and "certify" if they want. But I don't think that you need to
certify Linux Distribution for universities and colleges in FSB.

Re: [gentoo-dev] A question to Russian Gentoo Developers Community about import software substitution

[Dmitry Yu Okunev]

08.05.2015 23:05, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov пишет:
>> I had been trying to push the idea of creating an united FOSS community
>> to solve problems of the higher school of the Russian Federation. But
>> such initiatives faded due to absence of support of top executives… And
>> now (according to e.g. [1]) it won't be a problem, IMHO.
>
> It would. Just because of the fact, that "top executives" (in Education Dept,
> in regional ministerys and so on) is that kind of clerks, that WOULDN'T accept
> anything if it is impossible to get (read as "steal") some money in personal.

The link [1] shows that the _can_ get money in personal.

>> And I'd prefer
>> make a distribution for the higher shool based on Gentoo Linux.
>
> I'd also prefer, but it is not that possible as you imagine. There is such
> thing as certification in Federal Security Service (FSB) and so on.

1. It's not a big problem. We can certify a release of our Gentoo based
    distribution. It's just need a money to pay to laboratories. Plus
    big universities (like my) have enough social ties to fast push
    such things through Russian bureaucracy machines, IMO. And we
    can return the spent money the same way as ALT Linux (by selling
    tech support coupons).

2. The Federal Service for Technical and Export Control (ФСТЭК) and
    Federal Security Service (ФСБ) certificates required only to process
    big systems with personal data (ФЗ-152). For the rest systems (like
    ordinal desktop) it's not required at all.

>> So
>> here's the Question:
>>
>> Does anybody interested in creating a consortium to send an application
>> to the Ministry of Communications?
>
> I'm partially interested to mentally maintain that, but I have to free time to
> activelly do anything in personal (but, probably, will be fine in a group).

I just offer to unite efforts. You don't need to free an additional 
time. We just need to find common problems and solve it together as a 
project for Ministry of Communications. Other good people will connect 
to us and meanwhile the support of the ministry will stimulate the top 
executives.

Specifically, I'm interested in making a distribution for the higher 
school of Russian Federation.

> But, as I said, I doubt in success of that operation. But... Let the Force be
> with us...

There was a lot of doubtable (but good) projects in my life. However few 
of them successfully started and completed. I think we _must_ try if we 
believe in FOSS. Sorry for this pathos :)

> P.S. I'd not use politic-related phrases (like "import software substitution")
> in international communities at all and here in particular.

Sorry for that. I was thinking that it's better to make subject more 
concrete.


Best regards, Dmitry.

Re: [gentoo-dev] A question to Russian Gentoo Developers Community about import software substitution

[Tyler Pohl]

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On May 9, 2015 1:25 AM, "Dmitry Yu Okunev" <dyokunev@ut.mephi.ru> wrote:

> 08.05.2015 23:05, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov пишет:
>
>> I had been trying to push the idea of creating an united FOSS community
>>> to solve problems of the higher school of the Russian Federation. But
>>> such initiatives faded due to absence of support of top executives… And
>>> now (according to e.g. [1]) it won't be a problem, IMHO.
>>>
>>
>> It would. Just because of the fact, that "top executives" (in Education
>> Dept,
>> in regional ministerys and so on) is that kind of clerks, that WOULDN'T
>> accept
>> anything if it is impossible to get (read as "steal") some money in
>> personal.
>>
>
> The link [1] shows that the _can_ get money in personal.
>
>  And I'd prefer
>>> make a distribution for the higher shool based on Gentoo Linux.
>>>
>>
>> I'd also prefer, but it is not that possible as you imagine. There is such
>> thing as certification in Federal Security Service (FSB) and so on.
>>
>
> 1. It's not a big problem. We can certify a release of our Gentoo based
>    distribution. It's just need a money to pay to laboratories. Plus
>    big universities (like my) have enough social ties to fast push
>    such things through Russian bureaucracy machines, IMO. And we
>    can return the spent money the same way as ALT Linux (by selling
>    tech support coupons).
>
> 2. The Federal Service for Technical and Export Control (ФСТЭК) and
>    Federal Security Service (ФСБ) certificates required only to process
>    big systems with personal data (ФЗ-152). For the rest systems (like
>    ordinal desktop) it's not required at all.
>
>  So
>>> here's the Question:
>>>
>>> Does anybody interested in creating a consortium to send an application
>>> to the Ministry of Communications?
>>>
>>
>> I'm partially interested to mentally maintain that, but I have to free
>> time to
>> activelly do anything in personal (but, probably, will be fine in a
>> group).
>>
>
> I just offer to unite efforts. You don't need to free an additional time.
> We just need to find common problems and solve it together as a project for
> Ministry of Communications. Other good people will connect to us and
> meanwhile the support of the ministry will stimulate the top executives.
>
> Specifically, I'm interested in making a distribution for the higher
> school of Russian Federation.
>
>  But, as I said, I doubt in success of that operation. But... Let the
>> Force be
>> with us...
>>
>
> There was a lot of doubtable (but good) projects in my life. However few
> of them successfully started and completed. I think we _must_ try if we
> believe in FOSS. Sorry for this pathos :)
>
>  P.S. I'd not use politic-related phrases (like "import software
>> substitution")
>> in international communities at all and here in particular.
>>
>
> Sorry for that. I was thinking that it's better to make subject more
> concrete.
>
>
> Best regards, Dmitry.
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-dev] A question to Russian Gentoo Developers Community about import software substitution

[Dale]

Tyler Pohl wrote:
>
> How can I unsucribe from this mailing list
>
>


https://gentoo.org/get-involved/mailing-lists/instructions.html 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-dev] A question to Russian Gentoo Developers Community about import software substitution

[Alexey Shvetsov]

Hi!

I'm also interested in this. Actualy some years ago we did such atempt 
localy but it failed.

Dmitry Yu Okunev писал 08-05-2015 22:35:
> Hello.
> 
> I'm not a Gentoo Developer and sorry if I shouldn't write such messages
> here. If it's really so then I'll consider this in the future and it
> will not happen again.
> 
> The question is only for Russian Gentoo Developers subcommunity.
> 
> I had been trying to push the idea of creating an united FOSS community
> to solve problems of the higher school of the Russian Federation. But
> such initiatives faded due to absence of support of top executives… And
> now (according to e.g. [1]) it won't be a problem, IMHO. And I'd prefer
> make a distribution for the higher shool based on Gentoo Linux. So
> here's the Question:
> 
> Does anybody interested in creating a consortium to send an application
> to the Ministry of Communications?
> 
> [1] http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=42189
> 
> Best regards, Dmirty.

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