From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0765138D0E for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:28:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CC67FE0916; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:28:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f174.google.com (mail-wi0-f174.google.com [209.85.212.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA07CE0887 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wiclp1 with SMTP id lp1so93472143wic.0 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 15:28:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=f6uqdGDPwJ3hoiprXMgYF8fYNZum/hDcuXfksJz6gqY=; b=zYEoQVTzE/U2aRaaKxXWl63CJpKg/o6TbP6rA770AjYYi6/q/4R1gg1nfZlkOQomyI zZT+SxMPJKWVTO0XfPynhZBUhNYpNFIjG70NSzwoW6kBFntO7SZ9JBgs0tN/eWVayjxu KABgN+UtbJpUMb+8iOjQZbVBBHDUzbXYVMzYkAbU1BdOwprjSkuC3KD9elvynuJ5oHMj tVFYN2dM01Cde7LjMUITB61yavOA77h0I0cWQLAazZehp+P7DeNZJwPKcmWb954norFW 0BJ8YBu6soCoZiougAKuCGaeCxUrk0Cwcai/9guIKQ/Df1uWDyjYmaRu/97WnaPpFqAx ftGQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.235.227 with SMTP id up3mr25857662wjc.132.1436394484448; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 15:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.194.136 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 15:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.194.136 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 15:28:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <554DC435.30905@ut.mephi.ru> References: <554D1006.1070303@ut.mephi.ru> <1856246.yijbe2TgVp@note> <554DC435.30905@ut.mephi.ru> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 15:28:04 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] A question to Russian Gentoo Developers Community about import software substitution From: Tyler Pohl To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0141a51000c736051a64a708 X-Archives-Salt: 66a53e12-9fbf-4656-af13-ba9cdfe14fc2 X-Archives-Hash: 5b6d72ceb04f0a369103ec29a807199d --089e0141a51000c736051a64a708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How can I unsucribe from this mailing list On May 9, 2015 1:25 AM, "Dmitry Yu Okunev" wrote: > 08.05.2015 23:05, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1= =82: > >> I had been trying to push the idea of creating an united FOSS community >>> to solve problems of the higher school of the Russian Federation. But >>> such initiatives faded due to absence of support of top executives=E2= =80=A6 And >>> now (according to e.g. [1]) it won't be a problem, IMHO. >>> >> >> It would. Just because of the fact, that "top executives" (in Education >> Dept, >> in regional ministerys and so on) is that kind of clerks, that WOULDN'T >> accept >> anything if it is impossible to get (read as "steal") some money in >> personal. >> > > The link [1] shows that the _can_ get money in personal. > > And I'd prefer >>> make a distribution for the higher shool based on Gentoo Linux. >>> >> >> I'd also prefer, but it is not that possible as you imagine. There is su= ch >> thing as certification in Federal Security Service (FSB) and so on. >> > > 1. It's not a big problem. We can certify a release of our Gentoo based > distribution. It's just need a money to pay to laboratories. Plus > big universities (like my) have enough social ties to fast push > such things through Russian bureaucracy machines, IMO. And we > can return the spent money the same way as ALT Linux (by selling > tech support coupons). > > 2. The Federal Service for Technical and Export Control (=D0=A4=D0=A1=D0= =A2=D0=AD=D0=9A) and > Federal Security Service (=D0=A4=D0=A1=D0=91) certificates required on= ly to process > big systems with personal data (=D0=A4=D0=97-152). For the rest system= s (like > ordinal desktop) it's not required at all. > > So >>> here's the Question: >>> >>> Does anybody interested in creating a consortium to send an application >>> to the Ministry of Communications? >>> >> >> I'm partially interested to mentally maintain that, but I have to free >> time to >> activelly do anything in personal (but, probably, will be fine in a >> group). >> > > I just offer to unite efforts. You don't need to free an additional time. > We just need to find common problems and solve it together as a project f= or > Ministry of Communications. Other good people will connect to us and > meanwhile the support of the ministry will stimulate the top executives. > > Specifically, I'm interested in making a distribution for the higher > school of Russian Federation. > > But, as I said, I doubt in success of that operation. But... Let the >> Force be >> with us... >> > > There was a lot of doubtable (but good) projects in my life. However few > of them successfully started and completed. I think we _must_ try if we > believe in FOSS. Sorry for this pathos :) > > P.S. I'd not use politic-related phrases (like "import software >> substitution") >> in international communities at all and here in particular. >> > > Sorry for that. I was thinking that it's better to make subject more > concrete. > > > Best regards, Dmitry. > > --089e0141a51000c736051a64a708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How can I unsucribe from this mailing list

On May 9, 2015 1:25 AM, "Dmitry Yu Okunev&q= uot; <dyokunev@ut.mephi.ru&g= t; wrote:
08.05.20= 15 23:05, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82:
I had been trying to push the idea of creating an united FOSS community
to solve problems of the higher school of the Russian Federation. But
such initiatives faded due to absence of support of top executives=E2=80=A6= And
now (according to e.g. [1]) it won't be a problem, IMHO.

It would. Just because of the fact, that "top executives" (in Edu= cation Dept,
in regional ministerys and so on) is that kind of clerks, that WOULDN'T= accept
anything if it is impossible to get (read as "steal") some money = in personal.

The link [1] shows that the _can_ get money in personal.

And I'd prefer
make a distribution for the higher shool based on Gentoo Linux.

I'd also prefer, but it is not that possible as you imagine. There is s= uch
thing as certification in Federal Security Service (FSB) and so on.

1. It's not a big problem. We can certify a release of our Gentoo based=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0distribution. It's just need a money to pay to laboratorie= s. Plus
=C2=A0 =C2=A0big universities (like my) have enough social ties to fast pus= h
=C2=A0 =C2=A0such things through Russian bureaucracy machines, IMO. And we<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0can return the spent money the same way as ALT Linux (by selli= ng
=C2=A0 =C2=A0tech support coupons).

2. The Federal Service for Technical and Export Control (=D0=A4=D0=A1=D0=A2= =D0=AD=D0=9A) and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Federal Security Service (=D0=A4=D0=A1=D0=91) certificates req= uired only to process
=C2=A0 =C2=A0big systems with personal data (=D0=A4=D0=97-152). For the res= t systems (like
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ordinal desktop) it's not required at all.

So
here's the Question:

Does anybody interested in creating a consortium to send an application
to the Ministry of Communications?

I'm partially interested to mentally maintain that, but I have to free = time to
activelly do anything in personal (but, probably, will be fine in a group).=

I just offer to unite efforts. You don't need to free an additional tim= e. We just need to find common problems and solve it together as a project = for Ministry of Communications. Other good people will connect to us and me= anwhile the support of the ministry will stimulate the top executives.

Specifically, I'm interested in making a distribution for the higher sc= hool of Russian Federation.

But, as I said, I doubt in success of that operation. But... Let the Force = be
with us...

There was a lot of doubtable (but good) projects in my life. However few of= them successfully started and completed. I think we _must_ try if we belie= ve in FOSS. Sorry for this pathos :)

P.S. I'd not use politic-related phrases (like "import software su= bstitution")
in international communities at all and here in particular.

Sorry for that. I was thinking that it's better to make subject more co= ncrete.


Best regards, Dmitry.

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