From: Alec Warner <antarus@gentoo.org>
To: Gentoo Dev <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 16:13:16 -0500 [thread overview]
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On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, M. J. Everitt <m.j.everitt@iee.org> wrote:
> On 10/01/18 19:31, Alec Warner wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
>> W dniu śro, 10.01.2018 o godzinie 09∶11 -0800, użytkownik Matt Turner
>> napisał:
>> > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 1:55 AM, Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org>
>> wrote:
>> > > W dniu wto, 09.01.2018 o godzinie 17∶08 -0800, użytkownik Matt Turner
>> > > napisał:
>> > > > On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Andreas K. Huettel <
>> dilfridge@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> > > > > During the last Gentoo council meeting, the decision was made to
>> implement
>> > > > > changes to the gentoo-dev mailing list [1].
>> > > > >
>> > > > > These changes affect only the gentoo-dev mailing list, and will
>> come into
>> > > > > effect on 23 January 2018.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > * Subscribing to the list and receiving list mail remains as it
>> is now.
>> > > > > * Posting to the list will only be possible to Gentoo developers
>> and
>> > > > > whitelisted additional participants.
>> > > > > * Whitelisting requires that one developer vouches for you. We
>> intend this
>> > > > > to be as unbureaucratic as possible.
>> > > > > * Obviously, repeated off-topic posting as well as behaviour
>> against the
>> > > > > Code of Conduct [2] will lead to revocation of the posting
>> permission.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If, as a non-developer, you want to participate in a discussion on
>> > > > > gentoo-dev,
>> > > > > - either reply directly to the author of a list mail and ask
>> him/her to
>> > > > > forward your message,
>> > > > > - or ask any Gentoo developer of your choice to get you
>> whitelisted.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If, as a developer, you want to have someone whitelisted, please
>> comment on
>> > > > > bug 644070 [3]. Similar to Bugzilla editbugs permission, if you
>> are vouching
>> > > > > for a contributor you are expected to keep an eye on their
>> activity.
>> > > >
>> > > > It seems like the obvious way this fails is some Gentoo developer
>> acks
>> > > > one of the problem people. I don't think that's particularly
>> unlikely.
>> > > > Then what do we do?
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Then it becomes comrel business.
>> >
>> > If that was an effective solution, wouldn't the problem already be
>> solved?
>>
>> One of the problems mentioned before was that a person could easily
>> evade the ban via subscribing from another e-mail address. In this case
>> it's no longer possible, as he would need to obtain the vouching for his
>> new e-mail address, and for that he would first have to have something
>> positive to post.
>>
>> Of course this relies on developers not vouching for new people out of
>> the blue but expecting them to have something to contribute first.
>>
>
> This sounds like an amazing fundraising opportunity.
>
> https://www.gentoo.org/donate/
>
> Get membership posting privs.
>
> -A
>
>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Michał Górny
>>
>>
>>
> Do I read a hint of sarcasm there too Alec?! :]
>
As I (attempted badly) to explain on IRC; I don't like this decision. But
ultimately the project elects the council to do stuff like this.
As engineers I think we remain bad at making decisions that are imperfect,
or based on incomplete information. I don't
fault the council for taking action (even action I don't like) because I
believe they felt something had to be done to improve the lists.
No one should be afraid to try something because it might not work; trying
things are how we learn.
-A
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Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-01-09 21:20 [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list Andreas K. Huettel
2018-01-09 22:20 ` Francesco Riosa
2018-01-09 22:27 ` Alec Warner
2018-01-10 0:37 ` Philip Webb
2018-01-10 1:24 ` Michael Orlitzky
2018-01-10 1:08 ` Matt Turner
2018-01-10 9:55 ` Michał Górny
2018-01-10 17:11 ` Matt Turner
2018-01-10 19:06 ` Michał Górny
2018-01-10 19:31 ` Alec Warner
2018-01-10 19:45 ` Michał Górny
2018-01-10 20:48 ` M. J. Everitt
2018-01-10 21:13 ` Alec Warner [this message]
2018-01-10 5:48 ` Eray Aslan
2018-01-10 7:55 ` Lars Wendler
2018-01-10 10:57 ` David Seifert
2018-01-10 13:49 ` kuzetsa
2018-01-10 14:50 ` M. J. Everitt
2018-01-15 13:26 ` Tom H
2018-01-15 15:09 ` Rich Freeman
2018-01-15 22:49 ` Gordon Pettey
2018-01-10 14:55 ` Alexander Berntsen
2018-01-10 15:09 ` M. J. Everitt
2018-01-10 15:52 ` kuzetsa
2018-01-11 7:03 ` Eray Aslan
2018-01-11 8:30 ` Lars Wendler
2018-01-10 9:53 ` Michał Górny
2018-01-10 11:14 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2018-01-10 17:16 ` Vincent-Xavier JUMEL
2018-01-10 19:44 ` Michał Górny
2018-01-11 1:12 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2018-01-11 4:22 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2018-01-11 5:37 ` Gordon Pettey
2018-01-11 8:21 ` Lars Wendler
2018-01-11 17:07 ` [gentoo-dev] " Peter Stuge
2018-01-11 17:34 ` Rich Freeman
2018-01-11 17:59 ` Matthias Maier
2018-01-13 0:02 ` Paul B. Henson
2018-01-11 14:48 ` R0b0t1
2018-01-11 17:03 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2018-01-10 19:56 ` Fabian Groffen
2018-01-10 22:28 ` Roy Bamford
2018-01-10 23:20 ` Rich Freeman
2018-01-10 23:27 ` M. J. Everitt
2018-01-10 23:35 ` Rich Freeman
2018-01-10 23:39 ` M. J. Everitt
2018-01-11 1:03 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2018-01-11 11:44 ` Roy Bamford
2018-01-11 3:22 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] " Benda Xu
2018-01-11 19:54 ` William Hubbs
2018-01-12 23:58 ` [gentoo-dev] " Paul B. Henson
2018-03-20 8:52 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2018-03-24 3:11 ` Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)
2018-03-24 3:34 ` Aaron Bauman
2018-03-25 4:07 ` Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)
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