[gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: Do not enable ldap USE flag by default

[gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: Do not enable ldap USE flag by default

[Mikle Kolyada]

Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/741380
Signed-off-by: Mikle Kolyada <zlogene@gentoo.org>
---
 profiles/targets/desktop/make.defaults | 2 +-
 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)

diff --git a/profiles/targets/desktop/make.defaults b/profiles/targets/desktop/make.defaults
index da96e7830..d7eab4cd0 100644
--- a/profiles/targets/desktop/make.defaults
+++ b/profiles/targets/desktop/make.defaults
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
 # Copyright 1999-2020 Gentoo Authors
 # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
 
-USE="a52 aac acpi alsa bluetooth branding cairo cdda cdr cups dbus dri dts dvd dvdr elogind emboss encode exif flac gif gpm gtk gui icu jpeg lcms ldap libnotify mad mng mp3 mp4 mpeg ogg opengl pango pdf png policykit ppds qt5 sdl spell startup-notification svg tiff truetype vorbis udev udisks unicode upower usb wxwidgets X xcb x264 xml xv xvid"
+USE="a52 aac acpi alsa bluetooth branding cairo cdda cdr cups dbus dri dts dvd dvdr elogind emboss encode exif flac gif gpm gtk gui icu jpeg lcms libnotify mad mng mp3 mp4 mpeg ogg opengl pango pdf png policykit ppds qt5 sdl spell startup-notification svg tiff truetype vorbis udev udisks unicode upower usb wxwidgets X xcb x264 xml xv xvid"
-- 
2.26.2

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: Do not enable ldap USE flag by default

[Mike Gilbert]

Seems like a good idea to me.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: Do not enable ldap USE flag by default

[Hans de Graaff]

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On Wed, 2020-09-09 at 13:35 +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote:
> Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/741380

Could you provide a rationale for removing this? The bug only has a
single anecdotal report of a user who can run a desktop without it. I'm
not sure if that is reason enough to remove this. I guess we won't be
able to figure out easily how many of our desktop profile users are
actually using LDAP, but changing this may cause surprises and I'm not
sure if that's warranted.

Hans

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: Do not enable ldap USE flag by default

[Mikle Kolyada]

On 10.09.2020 08:35, Hans de Graaff wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-09-09 at 13:35 +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote:
>> Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/741380
> Could you provide a rationale for removing this? The bug only has a
> single anecdotal report of a user who can run a desktop without it. I'm
> not sure if that is reason enough to remove this. I guess we won't be
> able to figure out easily how many of our desktop profile users are
> actually using LDAP, but changing this may cause surprises and I'm not
> sure if that's warranted.
>
> Hans


Hi.

It is dictated by common sense.

I barely can imagine a case where you need ldap support in each and 
every package you install.

This should rather be per-package enabled as something non-trivial.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: Do not enable ldap USE flag by default

[John Helmert III]

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On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 11:59:31AM +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote:
> 
> On 10.09.2020 08:35, Hans de Graaff wrote:
> > On Wed, 2020-09-09 at 13:35 +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote:
> >> Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/741380
> > Could you provide a rationale for removing this? The bug only has a
> > single anecdotal report of a user who can run a desktop without it. I'm
> > not sure if that is reason enough to remove this. I guess we won't be
> > able to figure out easily how many of our desktop profile users are
> > actually using LDAP, but changing this may cause surprises and I'm not
> > sure if that's warranted.
> >
> > Hans
> 
> 
> Hi.
> 
> It is dictated by common sense.
> 
> I barely can imagine a case where you need ldap support in each and 
> every package you install.
> 
> This should rather be per-package enabled as something non-trivial.

Maybe this change should be introduced with a news item just to help
limit surprises?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: Do not enable ldap USE flag by default

[Michał Górny]

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On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 07:35 +0200, Hans de Graaff wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-09-09 at 13:35 +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote:
> > Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/741380
> 
> Could you provide a rationale for removing this? The bug only has a
> single anecdotal report of a user who can run a desktop without it. I'm
> not sure if that is reason enough to remove this. I guess we won't be
> able to figure out easily how many of our desktop profile users are
> actually using LDAP, but changing this may cause surprises and I'm not
> sure if that's warranted.
> 

2020.  Gentoo discovers that people usually don't run LDAP on their
desktops.  Some developers can't believe their eyes!  Gentoo forms
a Working Group to establish whether using LDAP on desktops is really
that uncommon.

This fits nicely with the recently announced fact that Gentoo Foundation
has too much money and is looking for funding requests.  After all, what
could be a better use of Gentoo money than funding the work of a Working
Group trying to establish matters of such great importance as default
USE flags on desktop profiles.

After a lot of debate the Working Group concludes that there is no
conclusive answer whether LDAP should be enabled by default or not.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny


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Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: Do not enable ldap USE flag by default

[Alec Warner]

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On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:59 AM Mikle Kolyada <zlogene@gentoo.org> wrote:

>
> On 10.09.2020 08:35, Hans de Graaff wrote:
> > On Wed, 2020-09-09 at 13:35 +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote:
> >> Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/741380
> > Could you provide a rationale for removing this? The bug only has a
> > single anecdotal report of a user who can run a desktop without it. I'm
> > not sure if that is reason enough to remove this. I guess we won't be
> > able to figure out easily how many of our desktop profile users are
> > actually using LDAP, but changing this may cause surprises and I'm not
> > sure if that's warranted.
> >
> > Hans
>
>
> Hi.
>
> It is dictated by common sense.
>

> I barely can imagine a case where you need ldap support in each and
> every package you install.
>

I can, but not in a desktop environment. In an enterprise environment you
will need it (but I'd expect folks to add it.)
The challenge is just in changing the default. E.g. we might not do it
until a new profile bump (e.g. do it in a 2020 or 2021 profile?)

-A


>
> This should rather be per-package enabled as something non-trivial.
>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: Do not enable ldap USE flag by default

[Mike Gilbert]

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 11:45 AM Alec Warner <antarus@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:59 AM Mikle Kolyada <zlogene@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 10.09.2020 08:35, Hans de Graaff wrote:
>> > On Wed, 2020-09-09 at 13:35 +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote:
>> >> Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/741380
>> > Could you provide a rationale for removing this? The bug only has a
>> > single anecdotal report of a user who can run a desktop without it. I'm
>> > not sure if that is reason enough to remove this. I guess we won't be
>> > able to figure out easily how many of our desktop profile users are
>> > actually using LDAP, but changing this may cause surprises and I'm not
>> > sure if that's warranted.
>> >
>> > Hans
>>
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> It is dictated by common sense.
>>
>>
>> I barely can imagine a case where you need ldap support in each and
>> every package you install.
>
>
> I can, but not in a desktop environment. In an enterprise environment you will need it (but I'd expect folks to add it.)
> The challenge is just in changing the default. E.g. we might not do it until a new profile bump (e.g. do it in a 2020 or 2021 profile?)

I think a news item with some time delay would be sufficient to inform
any enterprise admins so they can push a local config change.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: Do not enable ldap USE flag by default

[Alec Warner]

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On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:13 AM Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 07:35 +0200, Hans de Graaff wrote:
> > On Wed, 2020-09-09 at 13:35 +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote:
> > > Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/741380
> >
> > Could you provide a rationale for removing this? The bug only has a
> > single anecdotal report of a user who can run a desktop without it. I'm
> > not sure if that is reason enough to remove this. I guess we won't be
> > able to figure out easily how many of our desktop profile users are
> > actually using LDAP, but changing this may cause surprises and I'm not
> > sure if that's warranted.
> >
>
> 2020.  Gentoo discovers that people usually don't run LDAP on their
> desktops.  Some developers can't believe their eyes!  Gentoo forms
> a Working Group to establish whether using LDAP on desktops is really
> that uncommon.
>
> This fits nicely with the recently announced fact that Gentoo Foundation
> has too much money and is looking for funding requests.  After all, what
> could be a better use of Gentoo money than funding the work of a Working
> Group trying to establish matters of such great importance as default
> USE flags on desktop profiles.
>

I don't appreciate these comments. You can think the Foundation wastes
money on taxes and paperwork and operational expenses but i'm not going to
sit here and watch you crap all over my attempts to actually *support* the
Gentoo community by funding actual work. So please keep your negative
comments to yourself.

-A


>
> After a lot of debate the Working Group concludes that there is no
> conclusive answer whether LDAP should be enabled by default or not.
>

> --
> Best regards,
> Michał Górny
>
>

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