From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R5ZBF-00048E-Jw for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:26:22 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E7A121C3E7; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f181.google.com (mail-gy0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D10921C3E8 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:25:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so5629903gyd.40 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.91.115 with SMTP id cd19mr1631666vdb.526.1316420744516; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Sender: antarus@scriptkitty.com Received: by 10.52.158.99 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:25:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E76FA06.8000409@gentoo.org> References: <1740055.XA9oyAS8HQ@eve> <4E7252A1.2000300@gentoo.org> <1336457.yNbGUQDlCr@eve> <4E7584E8.2080009@gentoo.org> <20110918144958.6dc836ce@pomiocik.lan> <4E75FFB6.3030600@gentoo.org> <4E76FA06.8000409@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 01:25:44 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: VR59fdd-roeZX8eJjhxPsn-7x04 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr From: Alec Warner To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 16e639948e65a38e0dce76ae34c6a3c5 On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Joshua Kinard wrote: > On 09/18/2011 13:26, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > >> >> I don't see how this is relevant to the problem of udev and /usr at >> all. Unless you want to go back to the days of devfs and lots of >> manual configuration. :) > > > Me either (somewhat). =C2=A0But I do see is this: If udev is going to mak= e it a > requirement that one or more paritions be available at udevd start time, > then maybe going back to devfs might not be such a bad idea after all. > > I use plain vanilla setups on almost any Linux box I build. =C2=A0For x86= , LILO > (yes, that thing), a simple kernel, most hardware built in, some extraneo= us > stuff built as modules. =C2=A0sysvinit for the init package, /{usr,home,v= ar,tmp} > on separate partitions, no X11, no gnome, no KDE, no Xfce, no fluxbox, no > IRIS Indigo, no aewm++, no CDE, no DBUS, no audio support (the machine > doesn't even have an audio card), headless (except with it messes up, whi= ch > is very rare), etc. =C2=A0I.e., I run my box like a server. > > My MIPS systems (the working ones, anyways) are even more vanilla. =C2=A0= I > netboot each of them off my x86 box versus using a bootloader, they have > what amounts to a minimal Gentoo install, system + plus other utilities, > definitely no X11, etc. > > These setups are pretty much plain vanilla Linux/UNIX setups, and it's wh= at > has worked for years, so I don't see a need to change it with a permanenc= e. > =C2=A0If other distros want to create alternatives, that is fine. =C2=A0B= ut *I* should > retain the choice to use or not to use those alternatives. =C2=A0That mea= ns, udev > needs to be configurable enough to allow me to make it _not_ require /usr > being available. =C2=A0Let the default be the other way -- that's fine. > > But if udev upstream is taking *away* choice, and making /usr mandatory > (especially if it's because some other distro has this offbeat, utopian, > =C3=BCberDesktop concept), then that's a bug and someone needs to write a= patch > and send it upstream. I think the list you want is linux-hotplug-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; the gentoo-dev list is not for udev development. If 'someone' needs to write a patch then I assume you will volunteer? > > -- > Joshua Kinard > Gentoo/MIPS > kumba@gentoo.org > 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 > > "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. = =C2=A0And > our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-bet= ween." > > --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic > >