From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795BF138B34 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F400B21C007; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vb0-f49.google.com (mail-vb0-f49.google.com [209.85.212.49]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E64A021C002 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id s24so4786637vbi.22 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 00:16:19 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=pjXpfmK5RQm+WFeE4sydC9xu0POpjTglRc1mCQovDNo=; b=g9Cf1nFxyggRrRHCe1IbBVfeN9Tizz0oGeI6dJ+QlBxZ/Cvzd2pId2YCafK2CJR0zX 13utKsszmTPbkOCRl8l9XTc7vK+bJW967QKCA5OTq1XBz4wdUiyDAk+cKqxU9bgy1HAe g1Bzex+ZSn5vcSU7UntQf9JiX7diynkeTeysiLnQRF+FykzlPGXjFGM0YjagChMdlYvr ehzHMBsj0GEArnUWUDPxzXtlgI9Yb/nP7AVqPgaqMQAyjvux04SPTodzQSUNFwk2eZ20 C9HG7eqHhdezpXBR25dhK8E0VhSZL6i9Il7rITSfL6IetVYLMkBdEVsNBleJ58kjq/ve 0aNg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.40.135 with SMTP id k7mr24185080vce.12.1361348179697; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 00:16:19 -0800 (PST) Sender: antarus@scriptkitty.com Received: by 10.220.108.77 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 00:16:19 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [75.147.136.182] In-Reply-To: <20772.33119.636728.864172@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> References: <1361020086.1920.51.camel@belkin4> <511F8D2E.1080006@flameeyes.eu> <511F9A9F.8040206@gentoo.org> <511F9ADE.2050503@flameeyes.eu> <20767.41371.270947.851486@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <5120654B.6050406@gentoo.org> <20768.43798.568305.561675@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <512389BF.9090504@gentoo.org> <20772.33119.636728.864172@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 00:16:19 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: UgfN_53D5CQGyE4Q8ZBzfe0gObg Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: linux-firmware From: Alec Warner To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmxkyuvesQ831Cf7U90nxwHr9+gPjmgIsiAiaqqyiCBKJbWiE8Rm3A/HmpeLour6cuAt4Kw X-Archives-Salt: c7aa5b78-373b-410a-ab79-3c7cdaea1fca X-Archives-Hash: abf6329dc86a46009933b799c191f948 On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013, Alec Warner wrote: > >> Lets not re-invent the wheel here: > >> Debian has free and non-free packages. >> http://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-linux > >> # free copyright >> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/f/firmware-free/firmware-free_3.2/firmware-linux-free.copyright > >> # nonfree copyright >> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-nonfree_0.36+wheezy.1/firmware-linux-nonfree.copyright > >> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/linux-firmware.git/tree/linux-firmware.spec >> Specifically: >> License: GPL+ and GPLv2+ and MIT and Redistributable, no modification permitted > >> It looks like OpenSuse has split packages. Most distros are debian or >> redhat based these days. > >> We can easily have a firmware package that is USE="nonfree" and only >> install the libre firmware, ala debian. This also fixes 'the license >> issue' because if people want ACCEPT_LICENSE=@OSI-APPROVED they just >> need to turn the nonfree flag off. > >> None of this is rocket science, and the work has likely already been >> done by others, so just take it and go. > > I mostly agree. However, there are not two, but three classes of > licenses for firmware images: > > 1. Free software > 2. Non-free, but can be redistributed > 3. Cannot be redistributed > > The split between 2 and 3 is the more important one, because we cannot > mirror things under 3. Have we talked to debian then? Nominally if we can't dist it, they can't dist it (and vice versa.) -A > > Ulrich >