From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9469F58973 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2016 02:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7507421C069; Thu, 11 Feb 2016 02:31:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-f51.google.com (mail-qg0-f51.google.com [209.85.192.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EF0D21C017 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2016 02:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id b67so28907087qgb.1 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:31:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UiXZHeramRlUD/no5EaxKs8vLv4CalzYe91bbP8jaTs=; b=t1astM4VzYSFQP0MZUpftpCiITrUsCMONZgEcQX3CPtkPJMY2NDUBSJshfi/1BZ209 J740TxbEof/gfjWeRDTxvHQCtOkYZc65y+8tYMRJvnane3VnjFEtNkNKM3kTSkRUtHxw OZM0BXECQ1MNYdP+N9Me0GFzlan5rMpHNg4ln7Y8g4qDEEDkVf0dIOmBlGbOJmlft+Ei YiRddTIecJnpzUmmOA3iN0aer8q2AbmaQoIJsxE738Xk2z5IbQOlDAwzHE8oCrwtjdsV Dfv8so/cHjjuy1d8JwEVTXmCO57VgE+NQgNXBUCUiXJFrEGFx1zSwd/sZX9sjDwncni2 VuXg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=UiXZHeramRlUD/no5EaxKs8vLv4CalzYe91bbP8jaTs=; b=mjKCYZLUKd1fCksSFJI92JANbtkD8DiY5L+lrLFkO+aV8ughhyiY9CxKPdfbkU87sP HwIblpo94llQVyHKdFFM0HuwrZiDHLO8+cZC/pxLzl11pNb7UZRKbBZ81kleU7e0g51Z DGvy2/oLq6VyA28jWeEcoHeCQEeRxUYvftTndiGtoPJP7lqkPokZaub65IkLyEdOxjF4 gnIuJQSRKhFf74iaWT1bLEqZyTIUPaIdT9H7FNV934PpxhbwhskGDMBuQfmxHhSynIao IWnfJ62DhWiaAdGgJkIGkqBuXRxJdLztUpDQSWD+ib4BBPsRlVrZnYz3WxZ58Q1/lYU0 wjDg== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOTkCrmn+DJMQ9kvkQcI5z/IzadYDVzArTrBFHNbtePEo7nnxQDkkM73ABNqixZX5Wr3GLOAaf46v7H1bA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.172.213 with SMTP id s204mr55977130qhs.97.1455157897768; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:31:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.107.228 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:31:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <56B9E646.4040206@gentoo.org> <20160209213532.6354204c.openhs@tightmail.com> <20160210210035.02a94a20.openhs@tightmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 15:31:37 +1300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] "Lazy" use flags? From: Kent Fredric To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 85ebed87-c79f-4559-bb17-412598f20633 X-Archives-Hash: 7a9294c70f8a9859e2d5ada50f34e830 On 11 February 2016 at 13:42, Rich Freeman wrote: >> soft disable = Disable, unless it would break a dependency > > I don't really see why these are needed. Just do what we are already > doing - use the settings in the profile and package defaults. And soft-disable would be for things where IUSE="+flag" Where you didn't like "flag", but application of < USE="-flag" > can conditionally cause breakages due to other packages doing DEPEND="package[flag]" But would otherwise be identical to "Soft-enable" Just his descriptions are strange. I think a better description for the set of possible settings are: enable: USE="foo" permit: treat as USE="" by default, so IUSE="+foo" still defaults to "on", but turn USE="foo" on if dependency conditions require it. discourage: treat as USE="-foo" by default, so IUSE="+foo" gets vetoed to "off", but can be still enabled by dependency conditions forbid: USE="-foo" -- Kent KENTNL - https://metacpan.org/author/KENTNL