From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69387138262 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 01:07:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 73F00234005; Tue, 24 May 2016 01:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f181.google.com (mail-yw0-f181.google.com [209.85.161.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4589321C01D for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 01:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-f181.google.com with SMTP id o16so2055457ywd.2 for ; Mon, 23 May 2016 18:07:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=N4FhbRzWPpcYKMA4PrqY5lNFOIjm0qsBm1zctcgIBQ8=; b=zNgpUM/epywZ0MFTj1tz8YENK145HsGgC9BizU+K70p/BmOb8ic8PQH6oED11uDjsr r9ywQcsMzKyb4qM4DrEhx74jik8D7CPq2D3r1f2L56daWLklEjTsG/uDDVDcusEZ1rH3 iHZYZtdk+Ct63oOClDZ/L0wm4qApHdggE0AuYlOLynD/QHfAgLSuuIoI8yNPOJVp6zAz 15WSyYnm5OVbG9W6g85DedwSKtgC1RtkBFRdlWTYPnBJI2AMqtEMoV50AkLS+lj1SSDz TcfgCldrqmzimzc+hUhFjSIXV1rERPV54dzXsDIcINry5OQJMzgVeREHXDfWY1Ek17Tw zlBw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=N4FhbRzWPpcYKMA4PrqY5lNFOIjm0qsBm1zctcgIBQ8=; b=K057xHZDW7PRQkq8lupoPNqxj0T5yM85ZAA5A+KjFHiz07Z5ToFVQpTC8SAn8JXqcV BDfcjZBExCDASTH1vz7HdxYMzA0IpiYzROqAiEUiwmxKr5rAPZLixKWDd2+d8tCGkrfk T/+CZB6WpST3fulerFcTXZSUI2Z5BAG3OztqRm6IDAhWu3uL2RUkpcL/G22guvFAJFvl LT6+uys6rOjM09hfbDaxrTMJXkBmOLEv9ZZMxngUnWYaR98IMi8CMkhppsf5TYsd/Lqv a/oCXVUu3+rZpgmPDZdWnL7voyxt7gUezDuC/XD/tESLiZeoZ/Zlb3TMgTd7YiifGLLv PtMw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tI7OCxF/C9L3N+iY+SQ07M2eWoSvbwJCBJqtk0x3dW35EIzNPhm5N1dd41LBjsBSwxuQyq7cVHjjzSLZQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.13.196.1 with SMTP id g1mr996103ywd.185.1464052058185; Mon, 23 May 2016 18:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.13.241.199 with HTTP; Mon, 23 May 2016 18:07:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4143813.U9pl6TGxaP@note> References: <87e9da01-f72a-4f98-8896-3099b93db895@gentoo.org> <4143813.U9pl6TGxaP@note> Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 13:07:38 +1200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] please remove me off your mailing list From: Kent Fredric To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 54ff78f0-71b5-4dd4-8618-745b15e11ee2 X-Archives-Hash: 2e7de189fb0e8e487265a67ca4ab4209 On 24 May 2016 at 11:19, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov wrote: > > As a father of 3 kids, I'd say: if you'll teach while feeding, he would say > "yes, I understand", but will not really study anything, and would *claim* you > to feed him again next time... Sure, that is a risk, but its kinda different with kids. A smart person knows the benefit of knowing how to do a thing themselves. If they ignore your teaching, and they don't learn the first time, then its on them the second. Sure, when "Teaching only" you have the advantage that they need to participate in order to get their fish. But a manipulative lazy learner could exploit the learning exercise to get a fish, and then not actually learn anything, and still come back to you the next time. ;) Its a matter of knowing when you're being played, and then giving restrictions in response to that. Instead of .... assuming everyone to be lazy / uncaring / manipulative before they've even had a chance. And there's no way anybody can be commanded to provide this service, its volunteer effort after all. Just like there's no requirement anybody respond and teach them. ( And some people you can waste a lot of time on, trying to show them the way, and they will still disappoint you, and some will promptly forget after they get it right the first time, and require re-educating a second .... while others, they require doing the thing themselves at least once in order to learn ) -- Kent KENTNL - https://metacpan.org/author/KENTNL