From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E79D138C9D for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 22:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A2F0E080A; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 22:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f171.google.com (mail-ie0-f171.google.com [209.85.223.171]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 336D9E07FA for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 22:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iebrs15 with SMTP id rs15so63256721ieb.3 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:59:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Z9keUKcEnIBHqjdRR1HkqRnc0UUjw26UHIqbF4mTSdE=; b=z0q90I4Lv9ItxmlB14ZSZRT0YR5/FAQHziCzRGCuIX+sAcpI9RuwEUwQeocx60avt7 gShvGwl4kjWPyarhIDwHSTPOxl3sNj78C/i+MdmzalyehpLI+fVhddrXcmlW86ZVsSnU eYfpU7JR5p4HkgNkxT/gdwdIjHM0O5/bwC3cpYyS4O+ZJun3zd0uk2XgFNBKAE6Ful7T wXkfYj8MBdvSi0X8MUxpnAO5DiaKOVgKfqHU8sJrES5ASaMZ15W9fG9RuMzWAmMsoO+C An3PVK1jVBKj7BXbKgqr+rjQEDne0c+/axadYXg9+rdp1l2iGJyoZMQbZ14SqW/knIdL lAzQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.43.163.71 with SMTP id mn7mr532187icc.72.1429225147518; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.33.239 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:59:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <552FF0F1.5080709@gentoo.org> References: <552A625D.7030000@seismic.de> <1428844100.2041.166.camel@gentoo.org> <552A80E9.1010103@seismic.de> <201504121705.13255.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <552DDC18.3050304@seismic.de> <20150415130214.18559.qmail@stuge.se> <552FF0F1.5080709@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 10:59:07 +1200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Becoming a Gentoo developer? From: Kent Fredric To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2e24638d9880513df69a6 X-Archives-Salt: c9fb437e-6b10-44e9-b617-5d7d3034eaef X-Archives-Hash: eb309cd26fe545b6786683e20d618d55 --001a11c2e24638d9880513df69a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 17 April 2015 at 05:27, hasufell wrote: > To reply to the topic: If the only reason you want to become a gentoo > developer is "contributing ebuilds", then you should reconsider that, > because there are easier ways to do that. > But if you are interested in politics, PMS, EAPI and other > organizational stuff on top of contributing ebuilds, it might make sense. > Contributing ebuilds via overlays is a useful way, and a good place to start learning how to do things. But its woefully ineffective at being useful for gentoo's main audience. Gentoo dev's can of course steal stuff from overlays, but then your point of failure is delegated back to "stafffing needs", which is in significant shortage. Contributing ebuilds via bugzilla attachments is another way, both in terms of proxy-maint and making gentoo-staffs life easier, but you're still stuck on the staffing-needs problem of having to scehdule somebody to make the requisite changes to the tree. And there are quite a few people who are circling gentoo who have so far only made it as far as those two points, and have found the leap to full developer so far an overwhelming challenge. Some might argue you don't want a staffer who hasn't made it past that guantlet. But I'm not entirely sure thats true. But that contribution barrier really seems like it shares a lot in common with a cult initiation/hazing process, and I appreciated the analogy as so long as it was not intended to be taken seriously or literally. =) -- Kent *KENTNL* - https://metacpan.org/author/KENTNL --001a11c2e24638d9880513df69a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On 17 April 2015 at 05:27, hasufell <hasufell@gentoo.org> = wrote:
To reply to the topic: If the only reason you want t= o become a gentoo
developer is "contributing ebuilds", then you should reconsider t= hat,
because there are easier ways to do that.
But if you are interested in politics, PMS, EAPI and other
organizational stuff on top of contributing ebuilds, it might make sense.


Contributin= g ebuilds via overlays is a useful way, and a good place to start learning = how to do things. But its woefully ineffective at being useful for gentoo&#= 39;s main audience. Gentoo dev's can of course steal stuff from overlay= s, but then your point of failure is delegated back to "stafffing need= s", which is in significant shortage.

Contributing ebuilds via bugzilla attachments is another way, both = in terms of proxy-maint and making gentoo-staffs life easier, but you'r= e still stuck on the staffing-needs problem of having to scehdule somebody = to make the requisite changes to the tree.

And there are quite a few people who are circling gentoo who have s= o far only made it as far as those two points, and have found the leap to f= ull developer so far an overwhelming challenge.

Some might argue you don't want a staffer who hasn't m= ade it past that guantlet.

But I= 9;m not entirely sure thats true.

B= ut that contribution barrier really seems like it shares a lot in common wi= th a cult initiation/hazing process, and I appreciated the analogy as so lo= ng as it was not intended to be taken seriously or literally. =3D)


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