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From: Kent Fredric <kentfredric@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Git migration - clean cut or git-cvsserver
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 22:08:49 +1200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAATnKFASHL3Qe5wAksFeZ-0h6Jw8e3vUTPxw8S_KnzEJbsgD8g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGfcS_=HWo1q9VT3K7vbhcBp0oG1CZqDJp6Cp8zZUgtM3XJ8Vw@mail.gmail.com>

On 24 May 2012 08:32, Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> Sure.  The slow commit rate encourages careful deliberation before
> hitting the enter key, which therefore improves quality.
>
> Then, if you do make a mistake the slow commit rate means that fixing
> that mistake can take a long time, which increases the amount of pain
> our end-users run into due to the mistake, which leads to lots of
> flame wars on -dev.  That means that the guy who made the mistake is
> subjected to more public ridicule, and is less likely to do it again,
> That improves quality too.
>
> Since cvs doesn't tie together tree-wide changes in a nice way or
> allow them to be transactionally completed, individual package
> maintainers don't need to be as concerned with the big picture view.
> Now as the maintainer of libfoo the fact that somebody changed my
> ebuild without making a corresponding change in some profile is
> completely hidden from me, and I can go to sleep peacefully without
> realizing that my users are all going to have horribly broken systems
> in the morning.  Blissful ignorance of end-user suffering improves
> developer morale, and helps get rid of pesky users at the same time.
>
> cvs also makes more more aware of what is going on around me.  Anytime
> I want to work on something in parallel with the main development
> branch I get to manually merge changes in, which keeps me aware of my
> place in the world.  That means that I'm less likely to build nice new
> features, which means fewer bugs, which improves quality, and may even
> drive away users as an added bonus!
>
> See, cvs is really the wave of the future!
>
> Rich
>


<meta name="sarcasm" value="on" />

This CVS stuff sounds a bit too uppity and unstable to me, sounds like
we should go back to the tried and true code collaboration by
date-stamped tarballs of the tree which are centralised once a week to
a master tarball.



-- 
Kent

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3 ) for ( 9,8,0,7,1,6,5,4,3,2 );"

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-05-24 10:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-23 12:42 [gentoo-dev] Portage Git migration - clean cut or git-cvsserver Michael Weber
2012-05-23 12:54 ` Johannes Huber
2012-05-23 13:14   ` Ian Whyman
2012-05-23 13:31   ` Matthew Thode
2012-05-23 14:39   ` Alexey Shvetsov
2012-05-23 14:43     ` Anthony G. Basile
2012-05-23 16:33       ` Rich Freeman
2012-05-23 13:25 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2012-05-23 13:28   ` Aaron W. Swenson
2012-05-23 13:34     ` Fabio Erculiani
2012-05-23 14:17 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Palimaka
2012-05-23 14:54 ` [gentoo-dev] " justin
2012-05-23 16:32 ` Sergei Trofimovich
2012-05-23 16:33 ` Michał Górny
2012-05-23 16:42   ` Andreas K. Huettel
2012-05-23 16:45   ` Alexey Shvetsov
2012-05-24 19:51   ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-05-23 16:47 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-05-23 16:58   ` Alexey Shvetsov
2012-05-23 17:19     ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-05-23 17:22       ` Alexey Shvetsov
2012-05-23 17:32         ` Rich Freeman
2012-05-23 17:35           ` Alexey Shvetsov
2012-05-24 10:02             ` Kent Fredric
2012-05-24 10:16               ` Alexey Shvetsov
2012-05-23 17:38           ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-05-23 17:38         ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2012-05-23 18:37           ` Rafael Goncalves Martins
2012-05-23 19:37           ` Arun Raghavan
2012-05-23 19:40             ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2012-05-23 19:47             ` Fabio Erculiani
2012-05-23 19:51             ` hasufell
2012-05-23 20:00             ` Ezequiel Garcia
2012-05-23 20:32               ` Rich Freeman
2012-05-24 10:08                 ` Kent Fredric [this message]
2012-05-24  6:34               ` Pacho Ramos
2012-05-23 20:05             ` Alexey Shvetsov
2012-05-23 20:25             ` William Hubbs
2012-05-23 20:37               ` Michał Górny
2012-05-23 20:55                 ` William Hubbs
2012-05-24  4:49             ` Matt Turner
2012-05-23 16:58   ` Justin
2012-05-23 20:34     ` Michael Weber
2012-05-23 16:59   ` Matt Turner
2012-05-23 17:06     ` Alexey Shvetsov
2012-05-23 20:39       ` Michael Weber
2012-05-23 17:09   ` Alexey Shvetsov
2012-05-23 21:14   ` Dan Douglas
2012-05-23 21:48     ` Michael Weber
2012-05-24 10:17       ` Kent Fredric
2012-05-24 14:40         ` Michał Górny
2012-05-24 15:02           ` Ralph Sennhauser
2012-05-24 15:32             ` Rich Freeman
2012-05-25  1:21               ` Alec Warner
2012-05-25  1:32                 ` Kent Fredric
2012-05-25  6:12                   ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-05-25  6:47                     ` Kent Fredric
2012-05-25 11:07                       ` Alec Warner
2012-05-24 15:40             ` Michał Górny
2012-05-24 17:13             ` Kent Fredric
2012-05-24 17:52               ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-05-24 18:08                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-05-24 18:17                 ` Kent Fredric
2012-05-24 18:33                 ` Markos Chandras
2012-05-24 18:37                 ` Dan Douglas
     [not found]                   ` <4FBE8223.2010406@gentoo.org>
2012-05-24 19:57                     ` Dan Douglas
2012-05-24 21:00                       ` [gentoo-dev] Portage Git migration - Handling Pull Requests (Was: clean cut or git-cvsserver) Aaron W. Swenson
2012-05-24 21:14                         ` Alexey Shvetsov
2012-05-24 21:20                           ` Kent Fredric
2012-05-24 21:27                             ` Alexey Shvetsov
2012-05-24 21:16                         ` Kent Fredric
2012-05-24 22:01                         ` Dan Douglas
2012-05-25  0:58                           ` Rich Freeman
2012-05-25  1:40                           ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-05-24  5:56     ` [gentoo-dev] Portage Git migration - clean cut or git-cvsserver Michał Górny
2012-05-24  6:04       ` Dan Douglas
2012-05-24  6:33         ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-05-24  6:51           ` Dan Douglas
2012-05-24  9:16             ` Vítor Brandão
2012-05-24 11:43             ` Duncan
2012-05-24 12:05               ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2012-05-24 13:03                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-05-24 13:37                 ` Kent Fredric
2012-05-24 13:51                   ` Michael Weber
2012-05-24  1:19 ` [gentoo-dev] " Mark Wright
2012-05-24 16:17   ` Ultrabug
2012-05-26 16:18 ` Alexey Shvetsov
2012-05-30  1:55   ` Rich Freeman
2012-05-30  9:38     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-05-30 10:16       ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2012-05-30 11:32         ` Rich Freeman
2012-05-30 13:06           ` Duncan
2012-05-30 18:33             ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-05-30 20:31               ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2012-05-31 12:04                 ` Aaron W. Swenson
2012-05-31 12:16                   ` Peter Stuge
2012-05-31 12:21                   ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2012-05-31 16:50                   ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-06-01 20:49                   ` Michael Weber
2012-06-02  0:52                     ` Rich Freeman
2012-06-02  4:04                       ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-06-02 10:59                         ` Rich Freeman
2012-06-02 12:03                           ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2012-06-02 14:19                             ` Rich Freeman
2012-05-31 16:49                 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-05-31 17:48                   ` Rich Freeman
2012-05-31 19:13                     ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-05-31 19:29                       ` Rich Freeman
2012-05-31 19:54                       ` William Hubbs
2012-05-31 20:26                         ` Duncan
2012-05-31 20:57                           ` William Hubbs
2012-06-01 12:57                             ` Duncan
2012-06-01 13:25                               ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2012-06-01 15:08                                 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2012-06-01 15:39                                 ` Rich Freeman
2012-06-01 15:56                                   ` Kent Fredric
2012-06-01 16:18                                     ` W. Trevor King
2012-06-01 15:45                               ` William Hubbs
2012-06-01 16:33                                 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-06-01 16:55                                   ` Kent Fredric
2012-06-01 18:28                                   ` Rich Freeman
2012-06-01 19:22                                   ` William Hubbs
2012-05-31 22:04                           ` Kent Fredric
2012-05-31 19:18                     ` William Hubbs
2012-05-31 19:23                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-05-31 22:04                         ` William Hubbs
2012-05-31 22:28                           ` Peter Stuge
2012-06-01  3:59                           ` Michał Górny
2012-06-02  0:14                           ` James Cloos
2012-05-31 19:33                       ` Michał Górny
2012-05-31 19:52                         ` Alexey Shvetsov
2012-05-31 21:52                           ` Kent Fredric
2012-06-01  2:49                             ` Rich Freeman
2012-06-01  4:55                               ` Kent Fredric
2012-06-01 10:54                                 ` Rich Freeman
2012-06-01 11:23                                   ` Kent Fredric
2012-06-01 11:44                                     ` Michał Górny
2012-06-01 12:42                                     ` Rich Freeman
2012-06-01 12:48                                       ` Alexey Shvetsov
2012-06-01 14:37                                       ` Kent Fredric
2012-06-01 15:12                                         ` Andreas K. Huettel
2012-06-01 15:25                                           ` Kent Fredric
2012-06-01 15:36                                             ` Andreas K. Huettel
2012-06-01 15:53                                               ` Rich Freeman
2012-06-01 16:12                                                 ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2012-06-01 16:14                                                 ` Kent Fredric
2012-06-01 16:34                                                 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-06-01 16:56                                                   ` Kent Fredric
2012-06-01 17:36                                                     ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-06-01 15:39                                             ` Michał Górny
2012-06-01 15:28                                           ` Rich Freeman
2012-05-31 19:58                         ` Rich Freeman
2012-05-31 20:09                           ` Michał Górny
2012-05-31 20:27                             ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-06-01  4:05                               ` Michał Górny
2012-06-01 10:49                                 ` Rich Freeman
2012-05-31 21:06                           ` William Hubbs
2012-05-31 22:00                           ` Kent Fredric
2012-06-01  8:16                   ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2012-06-01  8:40                     ` Kent Fredric
2012-05-30 16:53           ` Tobias Klausmann
2012-05-30 16:58             ` Aaron W. Swenson
2012-05-30 18:12               ` Justin

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