From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C20BA139083 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 02:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 86252E0FD9; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 02:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yb0-x243.google.com (mail-yb0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c09::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E258E0F6A for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 02:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yb0-x243.google.com with SMTP id v12so2427564ybj.5 for ; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 18:48:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=5Y7asPxvdgprzqqtQ7b4LkBoKhCW6mRmo8PQF1NR33U=; b=OLz8qyStI2aCccBX/ZQKu9j/byjvDL/mpcdL3g5Xp5xfeJbsQTPTDuDofzxJQ5lpPg IOu47jTMxzn6CCPl7pCYBJqvp2XCm1qdVIN4gVqHHP1KAotzowZTk2eNwRmIyePumDMZ 5O5oOMoYGGLtfevR5ibhVtWYIPyPee7IzthLZ4/kZB7XUF7pqa4zIwoIDR1gWX9JuAxv tqdwo5PpU79YVb5MR7dHoVpsqZ15bjVV5PummRnre79G4GXERaNuZy0aJgEqP8/5KaFc lEIgDfejIlDZffNYd38X6rGvjYo1XUjXb20A7pjAVcqyoMZSSUnwgu/5s3oFMvS7J4PA +Ndw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=5Y7asPxvdgprzqqtQ7b4LkBoKhCW6mRmo8PQF1NR33U=; b=ZWjJameDF2KPYlu7UuD4Z2j/vIG9QdGpsCcKT9p/TMxkw3+DjBiyMYGCVEqdMQnSAw C6hjfa1970kivwwT7jg/tyR+az9bCQ6FUsCKW5NMXj4ndGEoBtocKPRdvKuDzQBUTBbd FInUV8lR17K7lkHG0o71HT8dVb79RsBognPnEVX5WkSpctuAo4ZxAVJ3WnaZ8t8+6k8C 5bkNp/NYwmKFG8iAZGces34OMYH8BQlfHEqysRn1I2dH3VrTKewL5zAl27aRXrrpwfLh 6xoRVIa4XcQ1QSjKj8rGEbbD485p7b79l0SXTwx212Wpw2qUWKg8EX+dnMuSaKe98C0W Bl/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLn34RcpfsKlWk/V9XPpFliKsO+UirvwP23Vzh5o1BXdX+Uw3e8 c8VvYs3+qh7m6i6ko7j/DFhOIvPwEMPKhXmveP0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMaVYwUVGpb8lkllY9ANCYdSUtVhHnJDUsoFlZV49raubhyvfQrWnFRsH3ip4gr+vWzyJA3j2RrLPBxJsf8j6ec= X-Received: by 10.37.160.134 with SMTP id y6mr6388952ybh.397.1512614899891; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 18:48:19 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.13.234.16 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 18:48:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1512256684.30000.48.camel@gentoo.org> <186874fd-9097-aff5-66a8-0b5205a21915@gentoo.org> <2628567.dVF8C5GfeT@porto> From: R0b0t1 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 20:48:18 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 1196da14-3b63-46b0-a18b-477b3a371b87 X-Archives-Hash: ffeb068930b33c7707a5044d78fc3ef8 On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:44 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Wed, 06 Dec 2017 09:51:23 +0100 > "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: > >> Am Mittwoch, 6. Dezember 2017, 00:40:11 CET schrieb William L. >> Thomson Jr.: [...] >> [...] >> [...] >> >> Well, it's like listening to a broken record, which keeps repeating >> the same snippet. At some point you stop listening, and at some point >> you realize you should maybe remove it from the player. >> > wltjr, I really do not think you are helping your case. If I were in your position I think I would not back down either, but at some point it is best to let history acknowledge that you are right. I started reading your messages because I noticed Gentoo developers being inconsistent, but not everyone will keep an open enough mind to do that. > Maybe you should go take more of my Firebird changes and put them in > tree. Since you took over that package I mtainained and then merged in > my changes from Linux UnderGround overlay that came from mine... > > Who do you think made the Firebird 3.x ebuild? I DID!!!! > https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/os-xtoo/commits/master/dev-db/firebird > > See linux underground reporting issues with mine before adding it to > their repository > https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/os-xtoo/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed+firebird > > See the date after they got it from mine :) > https://github.com/linuxunderground/gentoo.overlay/blob/master/dev-db/firebird/firebird-3.0.2.32703.0.ebuild > > Then Andreas adding it to tree... HILARIOUS!!!! > https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/commit/e246873f43db77850c172263be72bc5153b23adb#diff-7dc5e9ed8a228dd8f564e17d66c5559e > > Also seems it took a few tries why? Not familiar with package? > https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/commits/master/dev-db/firebird > > Same package, mgorny 51 comment QA leading to more issues because he > does not use, have a clue about it, or bothered to actually test... Due > to his approach and stance I assumed his changes were correct. HUGE > mistake on my behalf. Why in part mgorny does not like me > Though this thread might not be the best place, the character of Gentoo developers seems to be relevant to the topic at hand. I agree that there appear to be developers who have editorial control of packages they do not understand. It also seems like they have ample opportunity to confer with people who do understand the packages but choose not to do so. Respectfully, R0b0t1