From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6607139083 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 06:35:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5EB65E106D; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 06:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-x243.google.com (mail-yw0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FAC4E0F96 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 06:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-x243.google.com with SMTP id g191so1163166ywe.7 for ; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 22:35:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=brV35gvoSot9U1V1mjJORqVwuuH/qsdYTYPamSztpMQ=; b=n1d40lkgv8INtg7sOKR38qh+un2jeFz66dyvqSzoaCySix25oDhE98uurbGsVRL8x3 4BWN5Rxh37RVwiTJoV/BtrmhlBEVDK/51TKghPyfzLFfFuAYUJyuWPwSliVbg4u7KvsN 1AB1S4lzBF4fhXjnVWZAH00o5osnbVxfbdorScVrpZE5RyIeLAsHjGJ4ugQUVIx4NAum BISvRl+mTB4OfkQgjSDSG31mb/LRnd8G4emlNu0+UH0EMQoNAd/kL39yMmLYySaMwSJm +AaT+zkOHK50CLCbv1UF4wHbLpZMCXzZIlEhtEfdpE7e2tBvgfY9KVdvmhj4yDVaToii 2xww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=brV35gvoSot9U1V1mjJORqVwuuH/qsdYTYPamSztpMQ=; b=Z9Fh9aX6wOQlVANLfGfvguFeOOsUK1Kxny4Q9jGfzwFtKSptojDB2x4Wc0k+MmCT4t AScmU90d2muxblYBd9qvll0zqK+cFIi+2itAng1tn1hYVisp5yoSIkOdlr27yQS2/DzT TTTJr0vaxdM07UH9ZhRiEZh9Nyt0dlYil6KwQiI3gWSnwZkuQkUW5HQtzg79PCP4t5wM reL7JLIiwm70QGNZ8zUb7UbCsQchyKdqF+54OwV1YjqfJAXu9lJZL3QfRtVUHqrO6YaB sL4oHjCzOrXmlzluGvfMCaQyqjKhSL+r6mTsKtlS5Ftk2LkvIQKAehqWO8MRk1d+myFE lccA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4sMlOS9irp09S9yA/Q8NwW5WsoRg+YVP5eFxGhi3KKJrBQNNbr aUP7pMlsNcTVAs+jF3zo//tPY0s9Ym0Fix88FYc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMb8IFa5GXwrIEAV6YY6Bbbmsf8WxycO1kF736Qga38X+y0d0xNTw5yz7lSTTTBdylWerGMNzmcQYS6hox8tiYo= X-Received: by 10.129.73.65 with SMTP id w62mr12232353ywa.104.1512542131672; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 22:35:31 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.13.234.16 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 22:35:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8aa69cbb-8477-0187-b9ce-0ff454731d6b@gmail.com> References: <1512256684.30000.48.camel@gentoo.org> <49607e48-f277-6a36-4eef-6509dff001d5@iee.org> <8aa69cbb-8477-0187-b9ce-0ff454731d6b@gmail.com> From: R0b0t1 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 00:35:30 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: ab902c74-a092-4bac-82ce-714620294c2c X-Archives-Hash: 86912f7872b6c578e93010ac8d49e907 I apologize for replying to only this message, but #1 stood out and I am still catching up. On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:57 PM, kuzetsa wrote: > On 12/04/2017 01:51 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: >> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:15:32 +0000 >> "M. J. Everitt" wrote: >> >>> On 04/12/17 00:37, Matt Turner wrote: >>>> A user requested I forward this information to the mailing list: >>>> >>>> http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Publication%20Files/16-057_d45c0b4f-fa19-49de-8f1b-4b12fe054fea.pdf >>>> https://goo.gl/42A8v7 (short URL of the same) >>>> >>>> ... and was itself cited a dozen or times: >>>> >>>> https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=5443947091657980238 >>>> https://goo.gl/obvdzh (short URL of the same) >> Anyone paying any attention to current events? Quite many business and >> governments have gone out of their way to protect and hide the actions >> of abusers. In most causes because they were money makers. I think that >> may contradict the article entirely. >> > 1) harvard business school research publication, not an "article" I have read doctoral theses from Harvard, Yale, and others that were complete trash (they were all copies of an original presentation of a paper about finger trees; one included code which didn't compile). Those involved with academia on Freenode have repeatedly warned me not to trust people based on the institution they work for, nor even to trust PhD holders about their field of study. This advice has served me well. Unfortunately, being politely asked to explain oneself seems to be grating to a great many people. > 2) if things don't change, I'll be one of the people to quit. > 3) gentoo already has documented instances of people leaving. > Yes, and from the other end, I see lots of people who hate red tape and a fear of confrontation that gets in the way of technical discussion. As far as I can tell, most of the people who feel slighted feel that way because they choose to interpret someone asking about the validity of their actions as a personal insult. Respectfully, R0b0t1