From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0767213821B for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:06:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D9EF21C003; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:06:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14CCE07D8 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4so1360720bkw.40 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:05:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=o6/XnWLBC58xhfnems9E+s7rWwJ6ZQQoJ+YmihBLiCc=; b=iuBMsJqygCwNxFCy/bM+hTBBEDtothc0aSujf88DB8k6nFI5XNrJ9NpKZevrdvJb2r bx2zaEDnTlX8ui4DlVDAsiJSJNUvREXmat/gGq0uOmz2skdqa1N7bzGJgjhyaKP9K1sz +ILStd424f2d89kkTs68z1Ufq91AB36pxyuMIq4Q9+XeJyMwo0yieitAlhjwTX83hd0L Td/9KqAOiLu9+Wu0y+hS/8qW99v/RLUJatryOFP9IR0s+q+kK3YAK8NVp076LuL/ATmY VT6oK1cAZPw1cqi5F3T2ta83jcEN57O/D1UkNSErtuJUvpi/LCERwO1mcarrexEFeM/J OfBw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.136.205 with SMTP id s13mr1156057bkt.22.1345147514895; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.25.8 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:05:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <502D4F41.9080608@malth.us> References: <1344366029.24762.31.camel@TesterTop4> <502377E7.8010803@gentoo.org> <1344535966.2121.6.camel@TesterTop4> <20120809183130.GA6795@linux1> <20120809195727.5d04ccff@googlemail.com> <20120814032416.GA8489@kroah.com> <502D4F41.9080608@malth.us> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:05:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Questions about SystemD and OpenRC From: Michael Mol To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 17a33166-747b-437d-80ca-7e13c2a4046f X-Archives-Hash: 0ea9a6a0446906482e675bbaeda30716 On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Gregory M. Turner wrote: > On 8/16/2012 4:59 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> [snip] > > > tldr: I like, approve and otherwise +1 the idea of somehow paring down or > eliminating @system but I think it's going to be fairly challenging, so more > discussion on this topic is warranted in my humble non-developer opinion :) > > -- > > I really like everything you have to say here. Unfortunately, assumptions > of toolchain availability have gotten into the DNA of Gentoo in ways that > make it nontrivial -- although probably not rocket science, either -- to > implement these ideas. The limited-visibility build feature discussed a week or so ago would go a long way in detecting unexpressed build dependencies. -- :wq