From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SrZOL-0002kA-8E for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:54:33 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F22DFE02DF; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A9DE0529 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4so1746397bkw.40 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:53:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IMl2/tbctY+O+T8wiV4Zv1SFFcpb78hnifkoASFvolw=; b=sfFprCl5KjlMkId+4qj/fwJlSQ9ldRco3SDGPqswI2cqovgHt9AqRyB8OzeeDQ60SE 58RPrZ6AG6Qu6o4/Y8i01rKLqAdjvl3oQPIVwJC4TEDjtm8+EI+5hzCtv1w+fz7S5ALF SSKqvNb13TSz3j7bl1T9q2z2HRKRIKTVyxf4yXBFBPVC+A4fv3T3GDWifSM/Gfj+0BQR eMiCWX3WLBEqfbn6P3szLjKGxFzAzPicYcYdU81AtZo8wJHSI6X6Z4qt85GdKZZgII0v 7NFu0ksIP6TUF6LdoaRp8Ex6+oG+Ie6yJ5AEOCI07WzoQJEBEibfaYYT4hm3zrUjMMWz JdaA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.129.4 with SMTP id m4mr2403190bks.55.1342637620135; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.10.12 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:53:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5005D70D.3060108@gentoo.org> <1342566449.18313.38.camel@TesterTop4> <50063368.8080106@gentoo.org> <20120718101027.55dd00fe@pomiocik.lan> <5006B7A4.6010202@gentoo.org> <20120718161351.GA19044@serenity.o.westcall.spb.ru> <20120718184012.12446404@googlemail.com> <20120718195809.242f7d99@pomiocik.lan> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:53:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Opinion against /usr merge From: Michael Mol To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: c4b74c01-f80c-4dab-a237-4a97f83fb831 X-Archives-Hash: cd168542c84b058ade2ae5d05868fa1d On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Alec Warner wrote: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Michael Mol wrote: [snip] >> To me, it looks a lot like what once was / is now expected to be an >> initramfs, which I find extraordinarily problematic, for the following >> reasons: >> >> 1) There are no truly mature tools for automatically generating and >> installing an initramfs based on system requirements. Canek likes to >> recommend dracut, which still isn't marked stable. I've gotten stable >> genkernel to work reasonably, but its error reporting is terrible. >> 2) There's no good means for applying software and security updates to >> an initramfs. If having an initramfs is to be considered the new >> normal, there should be some means of updating it as part of routine >> system updates. > > Debian uses initramfs-tools... AFAIK, neither genkernel nor dracut were expected to get tied to the Gentoo update process. Has that changed? -- :wq