From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SrZgW-00050o-2y for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:13:20 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C211E06AF; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B106BE0663 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4so1765911bkw.40 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:12:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AXIP5THDW1vC+RBmS8+UmV870xrF6wG/DNorES5o+bQ=; b=v79io4vOVSHdqyu58Ru9FAD3SHKBXiyRvh+g7v11uZBzXhRuK8wUD/H42iLjftube2 qwtKJoK2Y75JBDMgi3p1h0zYGFfW7m/qrYEs6y2ftkEAF0UIKB+L6nHfuoHAjLNN1ap7 lttkpJGiJHLmROSfkvPmjs2ZwCmiApi430lNg+oI4HntR286eGWE14hP1PURlqjXh9Ug as7biC+ujPuZsMIsDCyG8qpYSvpHYWQjpyun/6nhZctkwY8H5lmtTeTh216x81CpVcBP WGHG8WXfzeBuEmbPqh7O7oeeDRaT4ZJk27/k27EEBX95rgJTCOyQJ+XcrUS+NCv7mIIN CtUw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.157.156 with SMTP id b28mr2546778bkx.27.1342638734776; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.10.12 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:12:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5005D70D.3060108@gentoo.org> <1342566449.18313.38.camel@TesterTop4> <50063368.8080106@gentoo.org> <20120718101027.55dd00fe@pomiocik.lan> <5006B7A4.6010202@gentoo.org> <20120718161351.GA19044@serenity.o.westcall.spb.ru> <20120718184012.12446404@googlemail.com> <20120718195809.242f7d99@pomiocik.lan> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:12:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Opinion against /usr merge From: Michael Mol To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 20e20bc5-87a5-4a10-94a8-c43f8a5e1ffd X-Archives-Hash: 24bfd55f2df43c589d9493039baf554f On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Michael Mol wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Alec Warner wrote: > [snip] >>> Debian uses initramfs-tools... >> >> AFAIK, neither genkernel nor dracut were expected to get tied to the >> Gentoo update process. Has that changed? > > The kernel you are running (if you update your machine) is not tied to > the Gentoo update process. The *source code* gets installed, but the > kernel source remains unchanged in /usr/src/whatever. It's the user > responsibility to configure, compile, and install the kernel (and then > update LILO, grub-legacy or GRUB2). It can be automated with (ta-da) > genkernel, but it's not "tied to the Gentoo update process". > > I really don't see that much difference with needing to also update > the initramfs, if needed. What if your DNS resolver in your rescue shell has a vulnerability? What if wget, links or whatever network tools you use during recovery have a vulnerability? These are tools which are commonly placed in initramfs. > > Because, besides, if your /usr is not in a different partition, you > don't even *need* an initramfs. In that case not using an initramfs is > supported by all upstreams. And what of /var? /opt? The problem with the /usr merge upstream is that someone didn't think things through when they pushed it, and the same reasoning used to justify it easily justifies changing the way /var and /opt are treated. --=20 :wq