From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC51B138010 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 01:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4AC2EE0384; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 01:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f53.google.com (mail-la0-f53.google.com [209.85.215.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E113BE0417 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 01:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lahl5 with SMTP id l5so2088297lah.40 for ; Mon, 01 Oct 2012 18:14:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=glrXX8A5NWXnZH4Mc7olO10Y+USKrrSRsN+t+j/xlak=; b=mFfX85BTZTswH9bGYgEUWM5TB1txrT1my6cwVFarSJ/0msfIb+UNBLlLF3wJgq/EHt Egs+W0+wUmS6RaEvtKB8QoFjN1rMmyRpEEpQJNzz+8JKOjMJvOQY3V09V3UmInVmNwck zms3JzfcnCJxmzO7LOiB2ietRd9pbfCgT93O9M27+mt9Y9paWyCiJzLxNYKniulqcz7R sjS9Q+fNkzcJWmqG3/5LcMgAs/L9aJ2LxJ5H+yhRigsCQgtAQJAX6Pht3jGB/jF/YqWV CU/1UlD/gh6lzYt0kIze9N8PM4ML/cBOw8BCp70IgRcFYElrt7B7KG/Nup0JhGM65Ij+ jbIQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.38.134 with SMTP id g6mr35092lbk.39.1349140480885; Mon, 01 Oct 2012 18:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.129.101 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Oct 2012 18:14:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <506A3C43.5020604@flameeyes.eu> References: <5069F590.2090906@malth.us> <20121001201745.17223.qmail@stuge.se> <5069FE9F.3060901@flameeyes.eu> <506A048A.1080908@flameeyes.eu> <506A3AA9.4000402@malth.us> <506A3C43.5020604@flameeyes.eu> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 21:14:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss From: Michael Mol To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: f34cce4d-95c3-493c-916b-701ed65bf771 X-Archives-Hash: 0ebd70868f8f325aefac4a3b5c9724dd On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Diego Elio Petten=C3=B2 wrote: > On 01/10/2012 17:51, Gregory M. Turner wrote: >> >> Anyhow, I get it: administering the vcs for a huge project such as >> Gentoo is very hard work. If I somehow gave some other impression, I'm >> sorry. Perhaps Rich and I insensitively voiced our shared assumption >> that Gentoo's continued reliance on cvs stems from a lack of motivation >> and consensus, rather than a shortage of labor and resources. > > That's definitely not the case. While we do have had some complains > (mostly from Prefix last I knew) about git's working, the consensus for > going to git is there. The problems are vastly technical. > > Problems such as "how many developers would be fine with having to > checkout 2GB of history to be able to commit"? git support shallow > clones but not if you want to commit to them. > >> Then >> again, if the folks in the trenches doing the work think I've slighted >> them, surely they are perfectly capable of chewing me out on their own >> behalfs and don't need you to do it for them? > > It is at the very least disturbing that you think that people whose > work, and commitment, has been overlooked for a whole discussion can't > be bothered by it unless they are actually reactive aggressively. > > I know the kind of thankless tasks Infra has to deal with on a daily > basis, and I think they deserve more respect that most of the time they > are given here, especially when technical challenges are billed under > the "we just need to push harder for it to move" banner like this time. Some fascinating problems (social and technical) to address. I joined the -scm list because it was implied that these things would be discussed over there. Could we "take this outside"? I'd be interested in looking at solutions...but I don't want to drop them in here, since it's been pounded on a few times by a few people that this isn't the place. --=20 :wq