From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CDD1381F3 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 17:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 213C5E0BC6; Sat, 25 May 2013 17:15:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oa0-f45.google.com (mail-oa0-f45.google.com [209.85.219.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16E5CE0BC2 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 17:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id j6so7468835oag.18 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 10:15:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=r3pek.org; s=r3pek; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=beVAhNRCDBS527eDPlkiwU8NF1EWfThTXLihteY0Z6s=; b=Zn5e/2G0SGnnLbmAIZkoxpqBVE9AQrB7cs8Asw6aFSfHPoLmER/02g985Gxd26EsKH M2YpdIagShVz0yU6CdALm0+h3b2loj69+AO4jh+lMvUG+XFO4qxtYNQlF4mAACNZU2eS YeS3odylZj4NyWmcTWdlzoH/ltsx08k2rqjGs= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=beVAhNRCDBS527eDPlkiwU8NF1EWfThTXLihteY0Z6s=; b=f5AhodiVuu/jScfbXZ0/h8B7tvrYs8E9+RI6cR3ITojAypQb59yX90y3r85dnPnlRo hFwLy1TRBJzRt0HNU1V0W5Iis3Ibwpsp6F3kwGZ/6Cx8dJKygc1F8goKnvDdbJJ/aiXv joewJSlG82Tqd+uUjxCI/93vhEVYMBJ957kwig5az6rvTga74JbVVPDNgIGeV4GTWwwr C2xMVjMCH80GKnt8aUxVfMTqTbHcdqKRc7MRBmfN0MUPsBsW8BqBVbwaXcTn8BUUcvFA idBHVsqA0sJuOVxGlv3CV/0IhlilpvXoNNvLcm+B+xM4I8Q483lOnlS0/Y5OUjaKC4k5 VO4Q== X-Received: by 10.60.84.67 with SMTP id w3mr6299427oey.59.1369502114986; Sat, 25 May 2013 10:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.76.69.166 with HTTP; Sat, 25 May 2013 10:14:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [85.241.219.238] In-Reply-To: <1369501216.3001.4.camel@localhost> References: <1369501216.3001.4.camel@localhost> From: Carlos Silva Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 17:14:54 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697) To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0111b88615a08d04dd8e0f16 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkOn38pNwYSygRC/k9Ur5+Hli6uJVuTm4FOTQ8XzN2DPGR/cBHG4wBAU+lp6YTd7Yw1Nd5C X-Archives-Salt: ffe2b7f8-6572-40db-a84e-05382217dbeb X-Archives-Hash: 38eb1279e2cca11464899f73974fc649 --089e0111b88615a08d04dd8e0f16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ben, you're really just being a child here. Is that a really big problem to add a small text file to your package?! Is that a big maintaining burden? If you can't test it, systemd team can, just like there are arch teams to test packages on other archs the maintainers can't. It's not something that changes code or functionality to that level that it can't be maintained with help. Nobody is forcing you to use systemd, there are just people how are asking to let them use it. You talk a lot about Gentoo is about choice, but you are not giving that choice. You're forcing people to *not* use systemd (not using something else), because you don't like it. Plain simple. On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > El dom, 26-05-2013 a las 00:14 +0800, Ben de Groot escribi=F3: > > I'm taking this from https://bugs.gentoo.org/412697 to the dev mailing > > list, since this discussion doesn't really belong on bugzilla. > > > > Some background copied from the bug report: > [...] > > Probably your following comment in bug report summarizes the real > reasons pointing you to not apply that patch after waiting a year for > upstream action: > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D412697#c8 > > Reading your comments in bug report gave me the impression of you > refusing to provide the unit file simply to try to interfere as much as > possible with getting higher systemd compatibility in Gentoo, even if I > don't see how adding the unit file will hurt openrc users and how it > will hurt you (as co-maintainer) when another dev is taking care of unit > file and systemd team can also maintain it. > > We can now have long discussions about upstream decisions, how to handle > devrel problems... but I think it's much more easy: this kind of > "boycott" attitudes should stop in favor of common sense. > > > --089e0111b88615a08d04dd8e0f16 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ben, you're really just being a child here. Is that a = really big problem to add a small text file to your package?! Is that a big= maintaining burden?

If you can't test it, systemd t= eam can, just like there are arch teams to test packages on other archs the= maintainers can't. It's not something that changes code or functio= nality to that level that it can't be maintained with help.

Nobody is forcing you to use systemd, there are just pe= ople how are asking to let them use it.

You talk a= lot about Gentoo is about choice, but you are not giving that choice. You&= #39;re forcing people to *not* use systemd (not using something else), beca= use you don't like it. Plain simple.


On Sat,= May 25, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrot= e:
El dom, 26-05-2013 a las 00:14 +0800, Ben de= Groot escribi=F3:
> I'm taking this from https://bugs.gentoo.org/412697 to the= dev mailing
> list, since this discussion doesn't really belong on bugzilla.
>
> Some background copied from the bug report:
[...]

Probably your following comment in bug report summarizes the real
reasons pointing you to not apply that patch after waiting a year for
upstream action:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D412697#c8

Reading your comments in bug report gave me the impression of you
refusing to provide the unit file simply to try to interfere as much as
possible with getting higher systemd compatibility in Gentoo, even if I
don't see how adding the unit file will hurt openrc users and how it will hurt you (as co-maintainer) when another dev is taking care of unit file and systemd team can also maintain it.

We can now have long discussions about upstream decisions, how to handle devrel problems... but I think it's much more easy: this kind of
"boycott" attitudes should stop in favor of common sense.



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